But he had his facts wrong, I bet Fisk was a roider too!
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010...3011#more-3011
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But he had his facts wrong, I bet Fisk was a roider too!
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010...3011#more-3011
It's really amusing how he's slamming other players for being great at an old age (even with his facts wrong) when he set what was by far a career high 37 home runs at age 37 and continued to play effectively as a catcher until he was 43.
2nd most in all time games played too correct? and he was an effective player throughout his late thirties and even early 40's some.
I love how so many players are complaining as well..
it's ridiculous
Ozzie Guillen is upset because when he played, he played against McGwire, and thus missed out on playoff games.
I wish I was kidding.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=4848534
Yeah Ozzie, nobody on your team or any other team did steroids. :rolleyes:Quote:
"That bothered me," Guillen told ESPNChicago.com columnist Melissa Isaacson on Thursday. "First of all, we competed against [McGwire's Oakland teams] in the '90s, and when I saw that, I was like, wow, I could have been in more playoffs, maybe I'd have had the chance to be in the World Series because we had a pretty good ballclub.
It was ONLY McGWire!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Lynch him!
is he taking about the a's in the late 80's?
He said 90s.
MCGWIRE STEROIDS MEANS I BE STUPID NOW!
--- Any one of many ex-players.
Did you hear Fergie Jenkins demand that McGwire personally apologize to every pitcher whose career he ruined by homering off of them? Good God.
Robin Yount is sensible, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
That was hysterical too. I'm 100% sure that no pitcher had his career ruined because Mark McGwire homered off of them. I'm also 100% sure that Mark McGwire homered off of multiple steroid using pitchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
Good Ole Fergie was clean his whole life....oh wait. no he wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
But ironically he does prove that someone who took illegal drugs can get into the Hall of Fame. :)
Cocaine and pot are for real men with superb integrity. Steroids are only for disgusting, dirty cheating scoundrels.Quote:
Originally Posted by reflections
Finally someone with a bit of reason in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I was about to post this. Very interesting to hear his opinion. Put's everything in perspective. As usual he was brutally honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Robin Yount is sensible, at least.
its a shame but add Fisk and Jenkins to the growing list of whiners which I now have zero respect for ..
Robin Yount wins.
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/37507551.gif **** like this is never gonna end, like what is portrayed here
Finally read that about what all Yount said.
I always liked Yount. I like him even more now!
You forgot the hashish. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
The best statement by Yount.
"They were put in a very tough seat, that group (of players) during that period," Yount said. "That's why I look at it more as a period or an era. To me, it's no different from the dead-ball era or when they lowered the mound or raised the mound. People who understand the game and who are historians of the statistics will understand that it was a period in time where that was going on and it had something to do with the numbers being inflated.
"And that's the way I look at it personally. There's a side of me that doesn't really hold it against those guys when there was no testing.
"But I'll tell you, I'd be the first one to jump all over somebody who was caught doing it now that testing is in place and they're out there breaking records.
Too bad your team denied him a ring.:mad: Best player without a ring in my very biased opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Always. As a kid I used to ride my bike to county stadium and wait in the parking lot for the players to exit. Yount always had the biggest crowd around him, but he would stay and sign for the kids first. A class act.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
Ted Williams and Barry Bonds. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
Ernie Banks?Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
Ken Griffey Jr.?
Marco Scutaro.
Did someone say Fick blast?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yv4mRtz9n3...400/1david.jpg
Nick Punto.Quote:
Originally Posted by FloydtheBarber
Ty Cobb
Always thought it was him. But if Ted Williams didn't get one then I guess he wins the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldYankFan
Ted, Ernie, Robin in that order.. I think Ty Cobb got one. But i'm too lazy to look it up...
Cobb didn't.
Considering Bonds has an argument for being the best position player ever and the other guy in competition with him won a few World Series and Bonds never won any, I think it's clearly Bonds, though. And Bonds gets bonus points for the best World Series offensive performance in history.
Neither did Bobby Parnell. Unacceptable.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
A classy hard nosed middle infielder/centre fielder. The Craig Biggio (but a better player) before Craig Biggio, or maybe Craig Biggio was Robin Yount-lite. You get the point. ;)
+1 also to HGM on Bonds and (insert Ty Cobb here ;) ) Williams being the best players without a ring, without question.
As for Ozzie Guillen. :rolleyes: Has the man ever met a microphone or camera that he didn't like? Ugh, what a ridiculous statement.
Jenkins, oh boy...he makes me :o :o :o to be a Canadian with that kind of blatant hypocrisy - reflections sums up my feelings on him.
I think Yount joins Mike Schmidt and Jim Kaat in the group of old-timers who are willing to acknowledge that the temptation to do steroids in that era must have been very high in order to "keep up with the Joneses" (not implicating any Joneses that played in that era k?). Any old school player that criticizes these guys is more than likely a hypocrite given the amphetamine era, the cocaine era, the '60's etc. Clark, Fisk and Jenkins are really just setting themselves up for trouble if any skeletons from their closets ever see the light of day. Of course as has been noted, quite a few of Jenkins' skeletons have already seen the light of day, so I'm surprised by his strong, hypocritical stance.
Frankly I'm fatigued with all the hand wringing, but not surprised. Good things have come out of this. Drug testing, though not 100% foolproof is catching people and not just the flotsam of the league, but also some big stars. As I have said before this restores the illusion of a level playing field and fans that still believe in the "purity" of MLB can go back to deluding themselves, sharpening their knives and keeping their torches handy, until the next big scandal rocks the baseball world. Don't get me wrong the game of baseball itself is pure, but to believe in the purity of MLB is to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, fairies, wishing wells and shooting stars all rolled into one. It ain't pure now and it never was, quit crying about it and enjoy the games.
Wow. I guess a lot of great players never won a ring. I suppose Yount isn't in the same category as some of those others. He still is the greatest Brewer to never win a world series. Don't know why Ernie Banks always stood out to me. Maybe it was that he never even played in a series?? Is Banks the greatest to never play in a world series??
Just off the top of my head - Ken Griffey Jr.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
I'm sure there are a lot of guys, though.
Yeah. Griffey but he is a current player. Banks being the best W/O ring is something I picked up as a kid(before Griffey even started). But I am sure especially with all these newer stats their probablly are players who could be judged better who have never played in a series...Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
damion easily
BTF comment, http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...bel_gets_busy/
Quote:
Originally Posted by Misirlou: Absorbant and yellow and porous is he