Giants offer 8 million
Which side wins?
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Giants offer 8 million
Which side wins?
Neither.
he agrees to a one year, 11 million dollar deal
Oh, forgot to add that option
I think Lincy could have went higher. Maybe around $18M. IMO, he is ripping himself off.
Well he doesn't want to lose, that 8 million is too low though.
I would have probably asked for 15
He could've gotten a lot more than 13. He definitely wins.
The general rule of thumb is that players get 40% of free agent value in their first year of arbitration. This isn't a standard case, but if you figure that he might be worth around $25-30m/year on the free agent market - then $13m is probably about right or maybe a little high. Like the others, I think that he'll settle for somewhere between $10 and $12m.
Say I was in the majors on a team that I enjoyed and was worth like 10-15 mil a year. The team was on the verge of a serious playoff/ws run. Knowing they couldnt pay me and bring in a few pieces for this run. Could I sign for like 5 mil or so to keep me with the team and give them a chance to bring in some more tallent? Or are there rules against going for much less?
I never hear of stuff like this in baseball.
Any examples?
Players can sign for whatever they like.
IMO, Lincecum didn't ask for enough. He probably could have gotten in the 15-17 million range.
I think the Giants lowballed the offer too though
Giants lowballed the **** out of it. Lincecum wins easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
they can, but due to massive pressure from the union to get every penny they can, players are strong armed into not trying to sign team friendly discounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Either way he'll be able to buy alot of pot....
FTWQuote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
http://www.marketand3rd.com/wp-conte.../lincecum2.jpg
and if your heart is truly of team first belief (which I think more players need to think like this) then you could still sign for a base pay of that 5-8 million, and ask for incentives that could get you up to 20 million if you earn it and help the team be competitive all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayeburgh
I've never seen an player who files for arbitration take a pay cut. Jody Gerut somehow got a raise! as did Ricky Weeks and he missed most of the season!!
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
and I think union rules say they have to get at least 80 percent of their previous salary
There is a rule that an arbitration player can't have his salary cut by more than 20% or so. Generally, most players receive raises. In cases like Rickie Weeks, you're not paying him for what he did in 2009. You're paying him for what he will do in 2010, so other than factoring the health risk, that he missed most of the season shouldn't matter. It should be based on what you expect him to do in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
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Originally Posted by Jayeburgh
It is rare... but not unheard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Arroyo took a discount to sign long term with Boston then was traded after that year
Jones did something SORT of like that in his last contract
Basicly made his options guarenteed at 11 million instead of a 17 and 15 mill contract saving the team 6 mill in 06 and 4 mill in 07 and 4 in 08Quote:
3 years/$37M (2006-08), plus 2009 option
signed re-worked extension with Atlanta 11/05, replacing options and final guaranteed year of previous deal
$4M signing bonus (due 1/06)
06:$11M, 07:$11M, 08:$11M, 09:$8M-$11M vesting option
value of 2009 option based on performance and award bonuses (vested at $11M)
6 years/$90M (2001-06), plus 2007 & 2008 club options
signed extension with Atlanta 8/00
$8M signing bonus
01:$9M, 02:$10M, 03:$12M, 04:$14M, 05:$15M, 06:$17M, 07:$15M club option ($5M buyout) (vests with 450 PAs or All-Star selection in 06), 08:$15M club option ($5M buyout) (vests with 450 PAs or All-Star selection in 07)
$5M bonus if both 2007 & 2008 options vested
$4M deferred at 0% interest ($2M in 05, $2M in 06), reducing present value at time of signing (8/00) to $89.005M
BUT it works in his favor also, because he now know he is getting the $$$
BTW I always use him because I knew about him... i am sure there are others who have done the same/similar.
Randy johnson did something a few years ago with Arizone to give them more $$$ the year they won. (crippled the team tho as a few players did that)
I know McGwire did it too. But I don't know in what capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Personally, I would want to defer some of my money.
Why? Is it just that you don't trust yourself to not waste/lose it - or is there another reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
It's a secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny1234
I like to guarantee income throughout my lifetime. Have an extra million a year through my 40's will be a nice pleasant income to get then. It may not have made cash over through interest, but it pretty well make sure I am set for life. Regardless of how I spend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny1234
needs to be able to have drugs later in life :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
only if compounded with interest... 1 mill in 20 yeras will not be of equal value in 20 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
oh def not, especially if you consider 3.5 percent inflation per year.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
and if you can earn interest, obviously opportunity lost. But if you can be on a winning team, that helps your value, and it guarantees you money later in life. God knows what could happen between then and now. There are investment accounts, sure, but I would like to live life knowing that there is more cash coming later.
Hell even if you defer just 5 percent of your income, that's 5 percent more money in life that you couldn't have blown.
Who voted for the Giants?
Hell no- Metsguy you're crazyQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
The only way I can see it going the Giants way is perhaps if they somehow convince the arbitrators that the economy is in the shithole even for top-tier pitching talent. Even then . . . I don't see it happening . . .
well keep in mind the rules stateQuote:
Originally Posted by Tannhauser
meaning when deciding his salary you can't compare him to say Sabathia, Halladya or even Hernandez..Quote:
the salaries of comparable players in the player’s service-time class and, for players with less than five years of service, the class one year ahead of him.
the only pitchers I can find who have contarcts would be Jon Lester and Josh Johnson, Lester signed a 5/30m and Johnson a 4/39 Mil.
The Lester deal made it the Giants offer at least semi-plausble, but I think the Johnson Deal hurts them, though that was after arb figures were presented I believe.
I think the offer was intentionally low by the Giants in order to make them worry about the possibility of of Linc getting a low salary, and give him incentive to sign a deal.
You do realize that neither Lester nor Johnson have 2 Cy Young awards and are consistently amongst the best pitchers in the game, right? I don't see arbitrators ruling in favor of the Giants, considering what Ryan Howard got in 2008. Lincecum has done more than either of the comparable pitchers, as well as the previous arbitration results.
Actually, they might could:Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
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As Yahoo Sports first reported earlier in the week, the Lincecum camp could use a "special accomplishments" clause in the Basic Agreement that could supersede the normal process of comparing players to others with similar service time. Instead, Lincecum could be compared to the highest-paid starters in the game, such as CC Sabathia ($23 million) and Barry Zito ($18 million). That clause came into play in Howard negotiations in his first year of eligibility, which came after Howard won the NL MVP Award in his second season.
lol, Barry Zito. :3
Hehehe.
It should be more like Halladay, Sabathia, and Santana.
apparently neither side has budged, and his hearing is friday.
Lester and Johnson are both pretty effin' good. Not as good as Lincecum, but still, they're right up there in terms of top young pitchers in the game. Regardless, I see no way that the Giants win this arbitration case. Seems pretty open and shut to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tannhauser
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/...iants_lincecumQuote:
SAN FRANCISCO – Tim Lincecum and the San Francisco Giants reached a preliminary agreement on a $23 million, two-year contract ahead of the scheduled start of an arbitration hearing.
really? I am surprised he would accept that little honestly.
I figured at least 13 mil a year would be what he would expect, and that he would want to get somewhere near what Verlander and King Felix got in his next contract.
It's a good deal for the Giants that's for sure.
considering after his next cy young he could command 25 per for hte next 5 years.. id say this deal is a STEALQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25