Exactly, he's better in medium leverage situations than he is in low leverage situations.
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Exactly, he's better in medium leverage situations than he is in low leverage situations.
You're hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Please do not use "very good hitting" when talking about Francouer. Unless of course you're saying, "Failcouer isn't very good at hitting". Throw a grapefruit up there and he'll take a whack at it. I know delusional Mets fans will say that his second half performance justifies him as being a good hitter again, but the fact us until then he hadn't done a thing since August of '05. If he was actually worth a darn the Braves wouldn't have gotten rid of him.
Right next to Bret Boone's DUH!Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sox Fan 734
In other news, Bret Boone looks like the Keebler Elf.
Interesting how a thread about Arolids Chapman turns into Mets talk. So, are we really certain that a NLC team has agreed to terms with him? Does anyone doubt this maybe?
No. The Reds agreed to a deal with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rschusta24
It's already been confirmed.
Shut up. He's better than anyone the Tigers have (besides Cabrera and maybe Inge)Quote:
Originally Posted by mattynokes
Rick Porcello, Justin Verlander, Alex Avila, Miguel Cabrera, Brandon Inge, Carlos Guillen, Ryan Raburn, Magglio OrdonezQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Ryan Raburn is better than Frenchy? Laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Also, if "Alex Avila" was better than Jeff Francoeur I probably would have heard of him by now.
:rolleyes:
Sounds like Austin Kearns, but he isn't even that.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
not really trying to compare Kearns to Church....replying to MG's statement
I don't know about THAT. Austin Kearns is pretty pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I actually would take Kearns to play 1B. Not too bad of a guy.
Lol. 70 OPS+ first basemen. YES!
Austin Kearns is a very good defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
I know that, but that's all he's good at. He can't hit to save his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
80 wRC+ with above average defense in CF. You could do much worse...like Scott Pods..Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Off the bench is where his value is best, though.
He's listed as a RF though. I understand that he's still a very good defender, but the offense doesn't translate well from CF to RF.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Sure, I could stomach him off the bench. But being a semi-Nat's fan the past few years and seeing his "performance" (or lack thereof) at the plate has pretty much sealed it for me.
Every member of the Tigers outfield is better than Frenchy right now, with the possible exception of Austin Jackson and Casper Wells, if they make the team but struggle to make the adjustment to the bigs. Clete Thomas is about an equivalent hitter but light years ahead defensively. Magglio Ordonez is a better hitter and equivalent defender. Ryan Raburn is an equivalent fielder and better hitter. Carlos Guillen really doesn't count as an outfielder anymore, but he is about as good as Frenchy when he plays outfield, certainly not any worse.
You haven't heard of Alex Avila because you don't know anything about the Tigers farm system. Not that I would expect you to know anything about the Tigers farm system, but that has no relevance to his or anyone else's skill level. Avila is more talented than anyone the Mets have thrown out there at C since Piazza left.
I suppose that message is going to be stamped "return to sender" upon reaching MG's brain, so consider this message for the edification of others. Avila: talented catcher prospect. Clete, Raburn, Maggs, Guillen all > Frenchy. Jackson and Wells: probably better than Frenchy. Just in case any of you were wondering how the Tigers outfielders stack up to select dumb Mets outfielders who suck.
Mags equal to Francouer defensively?Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
UZR, 07-09:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Ordonez: +7.0
Francoeur: +6.3
TotalZone + OFArm, 07-09:
Ordonez: -2.0
Francoeur: +2.0
And they both actually follow a similar pattern - very good in 2007, below average or worse in 2008 and 2009.
Probably. He's got the speed of a glacier at this point, but he positions himself well so that he gets to enough balls to be slightly below average. He's also extremely fundamentally sound and sure-handed. Francouer has more speed but doesn't do nearly as good a job of handling balls he can field, so they even out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Francoeur gets a lot of hate from basically everyone. I think it's more envy and jealousy though.
No, it's because he sucks and you're overrating him because he was decent with the Mets. You hated the trade when it happened and called it the low-point of the season or something similar, but since Francoeur was alright in 75 games with New York, you've completely reversed your opinion and let yourself be blind to any logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...apman-details/
payments spread out over 10 years, 5 year deal with a player option for a 6th year at 25 million, could get up to 30 in that 6th year
Well, I do wish I were Francoeur. It'd be pretty awesome to be a big league player, he makes millions, I'm sure he pulls far more tail than I ever will, so, yeah, I would love to be him. But that goes for pretty much any big leaguer regardless of their skill, so that has no bearing on whether or not he sucks.
I sure as **** don't want him on my ballclub.
I value him higher than any other player on the Mets now
Good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
His performance is more crucial to the team's success he is really a hit or miss guy at the moment
What do the Tigers have to do with anything? Francouer sucks. Sure he has great defense, but he'll only hit 15-20 homers with a ~.310 OBP. Overall he's a below average ball player.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
We're talking about Met's talk... Met's talk
You don't get to criticize my team when your team isn't much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattynokes
Id take him in Triple A as a possible reserve in case of injuries :DQuote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
Or as a 4th/5th outfielder, def not as a starter.
But they are much better. 16 wins, in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Injury (noun)- any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
So you get to randomly tell me who my favorite team is? I don't see where I announced my favorite team. It's like that old saying, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
oh snap!