Randy Moss appears to be on course for the Hall Of Fame. But I wonder, what does Wes Welker need to do to make it to Canton? Is it too late?
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Randy Moss appears to be on course for the Hall Of Fame. But I wonder, what does Wes Welker need to do to make it to Canton? Is it too late?
3 straight years of at least 110 catches ain't bad on the resume. :eek:
He's going to have to continue to play at this level. The fact that he played for NE might help him. It's going to be tough though. When I was growing up my favorite player was Art Monk. At the time he was considered the greatest receivers of all time. He held all the major records(Most rec season & Career, most consecutive games with rec, etc,etc) until Rice broke them. He was never flashy never bragged just went about his business kinda like Welker. Despite the fact the held almost every major receiving record at one point or another he had to wait a very long time until getting elected to the HOF. Lesser receivers who were more flashy & outspoken such as Michael Irvin got elected before Monk. I can see the same happening to Welker. 100+ receptions in a season are very common now and I don't think Welker is in the top 5 of his era yet....
The biggest problem Monk had for Hall induction is that everyone remembered those last 5 years. He held on way too long and spent too many years as a bad 4th or 5th receiver on some bad, bad football teams.
Also, as good as he was, he did have stretches in his prime where he wasn't the team's biggest playmaking wideout. Irvin was always the #1 in Dallas, and the #2 usually wasn't all that good.
The Posse Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders, Art Monk, Clint Didier at TE. Those were the days... So that is a good point. That being said, i don't think he held on to long. I remember him playing one season as Jet and then a couple of games as a Eagle. Anyway if your going to hold that against him you could the same for just about any reciever. Remember Rice as a Seahawk or Bronco or Chris Carter as a Dolphin. As for Irvin I remember Alvin Harper was a very good #2. He also had a HOF QB and a HOF RB which Monk never had. Not to mention a damn good TE as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
His last few years with Washington weren't exactly stellar, either.
I agree that Rice's last years were pathetic, but his career was so astoundingly amazing that it doesn't matter when it comes to him.
Alvin Harper wasn't that great. He was a pure speed guy who couldn't run a route to save his life. Irvin was always the guy getting the double team.
And last I checked, John Riggins was in the Hall...:p
So is Theismann I think.:p His numbers were average his last few years in Washington certainly better than #4 or #5 receiver numbers. Of course I'm not looking anything up. I'm relying only on memory which could be wrong. As for Harper I don't know his stats either but I remember him killing Washington all the time, Novacek as well. Basically I hate Dallas.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
I think he has a solid shot at getting in. Usually with the NFL when it comes to electing HOFer's they usually are guys if not outstanding are considered key guys in Dynasties. I believe Welker to be one of their key guys in all those great seasons in New England, but for sure a lot of others will make the venture before he does.
Wes played in Miami for most of the great years in New England. His first year in New England was 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
True, but when its all said and done, he was pivotal in the offenses success since he arrived.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
I agree. With nearly every offense he's been in, he's been an amazing slot receiver. In New England, with the exposure and the HoF QB and the top 5 receiver of all time he has risen to one of the greatest slot guys of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Well he will need to play at this level for 3-4 more years at least. as he;s only played 4 years so far. One thing that really hurts him though is a lack of TD receptions, totaling just 16 in his career.
And all this in the pass happy era, mean thats depsite three great years Welker is a long way from the Hall.
But don't start printing tickets, in 1997 when herman moore has 28 (as welker) coming on 3 100 reception seasons(as welker) and had 532 rec/7484 yrds /52TD (all much more than welker) 4 pro bowld and 3 all nfl 1st teams (more than Welker) many would have thought the same.
Ah Herman Moore, great fantasy WR.
he also managed all his numbers with QBs Rodney Peete, Scott Mitchell, and Charlie Batch throwing to him .... not exactly a Canton bound crew there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Charlie Batch is totally Canton bound.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
With his family to visit.
And ironically I remember a Miami Dolphin fan telling me that Welker wasn't anything special when he went to New England (of course we both were in Maine, so he had to talk big). lol
Still have no idea why hes this good
Do you mean, you don't understand why he's gotten the reputation he has now?Quote:
Originally Posted by President
Or do you mean, you don't understand why he's suddenly broken out in New England?
you made this statement without looking at his career stats didn't you? in SD and MIA he wasn't anything special stats wise. come on in MIA he had a 29 rec year and a 67 rec year, solid but nothing special. it's been primarily his work in NE that has made him a top 5 WR today. With 441 career recs at age 28 i think it will be a challenge for him to amass the numbers needed for the hall unless he is able to stave off injury, the slow down most NFL guys have around age 30. yes there are examples of wr remaining good well into their thirties like rice, to, or chris carter but those guys are rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
And Welker seems to take a freakin' beating every game, lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wassit3
It's almost as if defenses, newly resigned to the fact that they can't stop him from getting open and making the catch, are just lining him up and ringing his bell the instant he touches the ball.
Ah, I miss Paul SkansiQuote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
On third down he always ran the same route. Go downfield far enough for a first down and head toward either the MLB or the hard hitting safety. Ball will be thrown high, so he will have to jump and just as he is catching it, it will look like a Mack truck is running him over, but he will make the catch.
Slightly leaning toward the second oneQuote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
I mean, he's only 5'9, and he's not that fast. I'll say he's like the scrappy football player, but he's too good.
I don't watch Welker a lot, so I don't know if he's a good blocker like Hines, but it's a mystery to me how someone of his size can be so good.
It's because shockingly, route running is probably the #1 attribute a receiver can have. Size and being a gigantic physical specimen is helpful (T.O. and Moss) but Jerry Rice wasn't exactly a big guy. He was an exceptionall route runner.Quote:
Originally Posted by President
Ask any receivers coach what he wants most out of his receivers: route running.
Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR)
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 210
40 Yard Dash : 4.3 seconds
9 rec 124 yds
If he learns how to catch, he's going to be a beastQuote:
Originally Posted by SirKodiak
Exactly. If a guy can run good routes, and has the quickness to make good, quick cuts (and Welker has both of those in spades), he's going to rack up the receptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
If I was 7 feet tall, I'd be playing college ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by President
Sorry to bump the old thread, but figured it didn't merit a whole, new, separate thread.
So, is he done for the season?
Yikes!
So, I guess the obvious question (especially in the wake of all the flack Indy's been taking all week) is: should he have even been playing?
Personally, I have no problem with him playing, especially that early in the game. Just another bad break, methinks.
It really hurts, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
I'm watching the Packers, and wondering myself why is Rodgers and company in the games still? Woodson just got hurt(Doesn't look serious) and Rodgers took a huge hit earlier. Arizona took their starters out after the 1st series. The teams meet again next week. What is McCarthy trying to prove? Even if we beat the arizona backups 100-0, so what? Next week is what matters.
Great fan sign of the day: Water covers3/4 of the earth. Woodson covers the rest.....
as of today it offically looks bad ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Dreslough
Way to jinx it Clay.
Torn ACL and MCL
Oof.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
It looked bad, but I didn't think it would be that bad.
And that was before the hit.
:(:mad:
So bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
Well he still did have the 2nd most receptions in season history behind Herman Moore. :eek:
If he can recover in time before 2010 starts, which I doubt, maybe he can keep it going. Playoff wise, this absolutely kills us. Not only that, Baltimore was pretty pissed after we played them earlier this year because of poor officiating, they are going to come in focused. ****.
no way ACL/MCL tears are a 10-12 month recovery time.. he won't be thinming about playing till the very end of next year, even then its another year of playing time till the player can even think about being back to where they were before.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Welker is out for the 2010 season, and not back to 100% till well past halfway through the 2011 season, even then he may never be the same. Relying of lateral quickness and quick slashing moves a knee injury could well irrevocably change his career.
What you call poor officiating, I call blatant NE/Brady bias. Don't forget the officials/NFL basically handed NE their undefeated regular season with their blatant bias in the NE-Bal game that year as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Man..Clay...don't ever make a thread about the Mariners' players please.
I dont know about that. You can say the same thing for Seattle and Pittsburgh Super Bowl, but its just poor officiating, not some sort of elaborate scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie