Best Third basemen of the Decade

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12-22-2009, 06:31 PM
Jeffy25

Best Third basemen of the Decade

9. Ryan Zimmerman
8. Mike Lowell
7. Eric Chavez
6. Aramis Ramirez
5. Scott Rolen
4. David Wright
3. Troy Glaus
2. Chipper Jones
1. Alex Rodriguez

I don't know about this one.

Wright is too high, and Chipper should be ahead of A-Rod
12-22-2009, 06:32 PM
ewing6

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would move wright to last and everyone up 1.
12-22-2009, 06:32 PM
Jeffy25

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How about Beltre over Zimmerman?
12-22-2009, 06:33 PM
nwuhockey

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Chipper Jones(in my mind best of all time and way over Arod, but Gordon Beckham will soon take that spot next decade.)
12-22-2009, 06:34 PM
ewing6

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

How about Beltre over Zimmerman?

forgot about him. He would go ahead and nwu's last post is a joke. Carry on.
12-22-2009, 06:42 PM
metsguy234

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Originally Posted by nwuhockey

Chipper Jones(in my mind best of all time and way over Arod, but Gordon Beckham will soon take that spot next decade.)

lolol

In the old days, we would be all over this
12-22-2009, 06:48 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by ewing6

forgot about him. He would go ahead and nwu's last post is a joke. Carry on.

Better be a joke.

Top 10 by OPS+, min. 3000 PA's:

1. Alex Rodriguez, 154
2. Chipper Jones, 147
3. David Wright, 136
4. Troy Glaus, 126
5. Scott Rolen, 124
6. Eric Chavez/Aramis Ramirez, 117
8. Corey Koskie, 113
9. Mike Lowell, 111
10. Casey Blake/Bill Mueller, 109

And all the guys mentioned by WAR:

1. Alex Rodriguez, 72.9 (38 solely at 3B)
2. Chipper Jones, 50 (40.8 at 3B)
3. Scott Rolen, 47.1
4. Eric Chavez, 33.9
5. Adrian Beltre, 32.4
6. Troy Glaus, 31.5
7. Mike Lowell, 28.9
8. David Wright, 27.1
9. Aramis Ramirez, 24.3
10. Corey Koskie, 21.6
11. Casey Blake, 20
12. Bill Mueller, 13.2
13. Ryan Zimmerman, 12.3

Curious as to why there's the sentiment that Chipper should be ahead of A-Rod. If you look solely at their time at 3B, it's excruciatingly close and could go either way (but Scott Rolen then would beat them both). If you look at their overall body of work, it's A-Rod by a mile.
12-22-2009, 06:48 PM
OregonDuck1989

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I'd like to think of Chipper, Rolen, and A-Rod as the top 3. Maybe in that order....
12-22-2009, 06:50 PM
OregonDuck1989

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Better be a joke.

Top 10 by OPS+, min. 3000 PA's:

1. Alex Rodriguez, 154
2. Chipper Jones, 147
3. David Wright, 136
4. Troy Glaus, 126
5. Scott Rolen, 124
6. Eric Chavez/Aramis Ramirez, 117
8. Corey Koskie, 113
9. Mike Lowell, 111
10. Casey Blake/Bill Mueller, 109

And all the guys mentioned by WAR:

1. Alex Rodriguez, 72.9 (38 solely at 3B)
2. Chipper Jones, 50 (40.8 at 3B)
3. Scott Rolen, 47.1
4. Eric Chavez, 33.9
5. Troy Glaus, 31.5
6. Mike Lowell, 28.9
7. David Wright, 27.1
8. Aramis Ramirez, 24.3
9. Corey Koskie, 21.6
10. Casey Blake, 20
11. Bill Mueller, 13.2
12. Ryan Zimmerman, 12.3

Curious as to why there's the sentiment that Chipper should be ahead of A-Rod. If you look solely at their time at 3B, it's excruciatingly close and could go either way (but Scott Rolen then would beat them both). If you look at their overall body of work, it's A-Rod by a mile.

Wouldn't we have to look at it as A-Rod as a 3B? Considering it's Top 3B of the Decade?
12-22-2009, 06:51 PM
HoustonGM

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Wouldn't we have to look at it as A-Rod as a 3B? Considering it's Top 3B of the Decade?

Doesn't have to be. You could categorize players based on their most prominent position, and then rank them based on their overall body of work. If we are looking solely at third base, Scott Rolen leapfrogs both Chipper and A-Rod.
12-22-2009, 06:54 PM
metsguy234

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I still refuse to hop on the Scott Rolen bandwagon. Never liked the guy. He doesn't seem very good.
12-22-2009, 06:57 PM
OregonDuck1989

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Doesn't have to be. You could categorize players based on their most prominent position, and then rank them based on their overall body of work.

I suppose.

And...

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

I still refuse to hop on the Scott Rolen bandwagon. Never liked the guy. He doesn't seem very good.

lollerskates
12-22-2009, 07:15 PM
Jeffy25

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Rolen, an amazing defensive third basemen.

I swear, he was just automatic. I wish the Cardinals could have had Ozzie and Rolen on the left side of the infield at the same time....there wouldn't be any base hits over there!

Rolen had a plus bat to boot with his amazing defense. I can see him being the greatest of the decade....but it's hard to not see Chipper as the greatest of the last 10 years. I can see why A-Rod would win though.

Chipper, A-Rod and Rolen as the top 3 easily....I almost think you could mix and match and it wouldn't be a bad choice.
12-22-2009, 09:47 PM
ragecage

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

I suppose.

And...

lollerskates

that is great lmao.
12-22-2009, 10:50 PM
kenny1234

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

How about Beltre over Zimmerman?

People continue to ignore Beltre - a 105 OPS+ isn't great but 32 wins over the decade would put him in the top 5 for the decade. He isn't really close to the top 3, but solidly in the next group of players.
12-23-2009, 12:16 AM
actionjackson

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Better be a joke.

Top 10 by OPS+, min. 3000 PA's:

1. Alex Rodriguez, 154
2. Chipper Jones, 147
3. David Wright, 136
4. Troy Glaus, 126
5. Scott Rolen, 124
6. Eric Chavez/Aramis Ramirez, 117
8. Corey Koskie, 113
9. Mike Lowell, 111
10. Casey Blake/Bill Mueller, 109

And all the guys mentioned by WAR:

1. Alex Rodriguez, 72.9 (38 solely at 3B)
2. Chipper Jones, 50 (40.8 at 3B)
3. Scott Rolen, 47.1
4. Eric Chavez, 33.9
5. Adrian Beltre, 32.4
6. Troy Glaus, 31.5
7. Mike Lowell, 28.9
8. David Wright, 27.1
9. Aramis Ramirez, 24.3
10. Corey Koskie, 21.6
11. Casey Blake, 20
12. Bill Mueller, 13.2
13. Ryan Zimmerman, 12.3

Curious as to why there's the sentiment that Chipper should be ahead of A-Rod. If you look solely at their time at 3B, it's excruciatingly close and could go either way (but Scott Rolen then would beat them both). If you look at their overall body of work, it's A-Rod by a mile.

It's sad to see this list and think of what might have been for Chavez and Koskie. :(
12-23-2009, 01:53 AM
TheNamelessPoet

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Looking at A-Rod solely at 3B
1 Chipper
2 A-Rod
3 Rolen
12-23-2009, 05:31 AM
HoustonGM

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

Looking at A-Rod solely at 3B

Are you doing the same with Chipper?
12-23-2009, 05:53 AM
grasshopper

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I'd like to think of Chipper, Rolen, and A-Rod as the top 3. Maybe in that order....

Just reading the caption on this one, I agreed with the above. Chipper has been an amazing 3rd baseman since the 90s. Rolen had good offensive numbers till a few years ago but is incredible with the glove. You said decade. ARod didnt start playing 3rd till 2004. Now if you said best infielder, ARod by a frigging million.
12-23-2009, 09:11 AM
TheNamelessPoet

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Are you doing the same with Chipper?

Considering he plays no other position except for 2 years in LF, and A-Rod has 4 at SS yes, not to mention FAR more time at DH
12-23-2009, 10:43 AM
YEAH DAAAAWG

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

It's sad to see this list and think of what might have been for Chavez and Koskie. :(

Especially Chavez. I was a huge fan of his. He was absolutely a magician with the glove, and he could really hit when healthy.
12-23-2009, 03:01 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

Considering he plays no other position except for 2 years in LF, and A-Rod has 4 at SS yes, not to mention FAR more time at DH

Huh?

Jones has 977 games played at 3B this decade. A-Rod has 868, which is about 2/3 of a season less.

Jones also has 23 games at DH throughout the decade. A-Rod has 26.
12-23-2009, 03:03 PM
TheNamelessPoet

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Huh?

Jones has 977 games played at 3B this decade. A-Rod has 868, which is about 2/3 of a season less.

Jones also has 23 games at DH throughout the decade. A-Rod has 26.

Yes, however that was due to Injury which I dont think should factor in. If you were to look at the stats of each... Chipper was listed as a 3B for 8 seasons, A-Rod for 6. Tho games played were closer than that, A-Rod was NOT a 3B.
12-23-2009, 03:06 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

Yes, however that was due to Injury which I dont think should factor in. If you were to look at the stats of each... Chipper was listed as a 3B for 8 seasons, A-Rod for 6. Tho games played were closer than that, A-Rod was NOT a 3B.

Why shouldn't you factor in injuries?
12-23-2009, 03:50 PM
TheNamelessPoet

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because... on paper... Chipper was a 3B 8 years... A-Rod was a 3B for 6.
12-23-2009, 04:06 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

because... on paper... Chipper was a 3B 8 years... A-Rod was a 3B for 6.

And...on paper...A-Rod only played a third of a season less in terms of games.

I don't see why you would ignore injuries. They're part of what goes into Chipper's value.
12-23-2009, 04:13 PM
ewing6

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

And...on paper...A-Rod only played a third of a season less in terms of games.

I don't see why you would ignore injuries. They're part of what goes into Chipper's value.

this.
12-23-2009, 04:20 PM
kenny1234

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

because... on paper... Chipper was a 3B 8 years... A-Rod was a 3B for 6.

As HGM pointed out, their value at 3B is very similar. Chipper played 2 extra years, but each of those years was less valuable than A-Rods - both because A-Rod is slightly better, and because Jones was injured for at least some of those 8 years.
12-23-2009, 04:23 PM
FloydtheBarber

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Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG

Especially Chavez. I was a huge fan of his. He was absolutely a magician with the glove, and he could really hit when healthy.

Chavez was awesome :/
12-24-2009, 12:05 AM
Jeffy25

Re: Best Third basemen of the Decade

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Huh?

Jones has 977 games played at 3B this decade. A-Rod has 868, which is about 2/3 of a season less.

Jones also has 23 games at DH throughout the decade. A-Rod has 26.

ahhhh snap!

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