9. Cano
8. Biggio
7. Castillo
6. Vidro
5. Roberts
4. Pedroia
3. Soriano
2. Utley
1. Kent
Where is Durham and Polanco?
and why is Pedroia number 4? while Roberts is 5?
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9. Cano
8. Biggio
7. Castillo
6. Vidro
5. Roberts
4. Pedroia
3. Soriano
2. Utley
1. Kent
Where is Durham and Polanco?
and why is Pedroia number 4? while Roberts is 5?
Vidro!
I feel like Biggio is ripped off being placed 8th as well.
Why would Polanco be on there?
has more hits than any other second basemen of the decade....that would be a pretty good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
and his high batting average, obp etc at the position. He is a very valuable second basemen, all through the decade.
My top 10:
1. Jeff Kent
2. Chase Utley
3. Placido Polanco
4. Brian Roberts
5. Craig Biggio
6. Jose Vidro
7. Ray Durham
8. Orlando Hudson
9. Luis Castillo
10. Robinson Cano
I don't see how you can put someone with 3 years of playing time 4th on an all-decade list unless those 3 years were absolutely insanely good.
These things always seem to get weighted to recent times....short memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Vidro should be higher up.
Where are these list originating from?
The only thing I can think of that MIGHT have dropped Biggio in someone's eyes as a second baseman is the time he spent playing in the outfield. Still doesn't make sense to have him 8th, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
i know that Boone was earlier in the decade but he put up some nasty numbers from 01-03 :)
You can also reasonably drop Biggio lower because he only played 7 seasons in the decade--but if you do, how do you put Pedroia 4th?
He also wasn't particularly good for most of the decade... the 1990's were his time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
MLB Network.Quote:
Originally Posted by yomamaimontv
As I did in the 1B thread, the players mentioned so far ranked by WAR from 2000-2009:
1. Jeff Kent, 36.2
2. Chase Utley, 34.6
3. Placido Polanco, 33.3
4. Ray Durham, 26.2
5. Luis Castillo, 23.5
6. Brian Roberts, 20.9
7. Alfonso Soriano, 20.7
8. Orlando Hudson, 18.7
9. Bret Boone, 18.6
10. Robinson Cano, 17.8
11. Jose Vidro, 14.4
12. Dustin Pedroia, 14
13. Craig Biggio, 10.9
Fourteen!
that is what I am noticing.Quote:
Originally Posted by acetoolguy
The fact that Thome was number 9 on the first basemen list is retarded. Granted, you can't count games as a DH.
but Soriano as number 3, with Pedroia 4 and Roberts 5?
And Fielder was so highly rated on the first basemen list even though he didn't play until like 06 or 07 (don't remember which year was his first) yet they put someone more productive in more time at the beginning of the decade behind him.
MLB Network is putting up their lists, I am sharing with the community so we can debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by yomamaimontv
And it's supposed to be overall players at the positions. They don't really go into detail when making the lists.
and they opening say that the breakdown is not to end arguments, but to start them.
In fact, the analysts, Harold Reynolds, Mitch Williams for example, usually seem to disagree pretty greatly with the decisions that are made on the lists.
Technically, Prime 9 is doing the lists.
Harold Reynolds and Mitch Williams are gigantic buffoons. Calling them "analysts" is a disgrace to the word "analyst."Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
commentators, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
they aren't really that bad.
Reynolds dismisses the importance of OPS though because speed players aren't important.
But I am willing to bet he doesn't understand wRC+ either
Their "analysis" of the recent trades has made me want to smash my tv.
oh, i don't listen to that....I tend to hear them talk about in game mechanics etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Hearing baseball players talk like executives is worthless. I highly doubt any formal baseball players would really make successful GM's. Or it would be rare.
They view the game differently than management does.
Too bad Steve Phillips was a GM and sounded retarded when talking about trades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25