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I think the Yankees made a good deal and the Tigers have just shown that they are now moving to the future and are willing to go back into a rebuilding phase. The Diamondbacks... I have no idea what they were thinking. They might be rebuilding but they just got rid of Max Scherzer so I don't know how that makes sense.
I think they'll probably be ready to compete in 2012 if they can use all that money they have coming off the books effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5dodgers5
Also : Can you imagine this rotation in 2/3 years? Verlander/Porcello/Scherzer/Crosby/Turner
5 aces in there if they all perform as expected.
I thnk the Tigers won, but the Yanks did well as well. Arizona is looking ridiculously stupid here
I come out on the side of Detroit. But, I don't hate it from anyone's perspective.
Yankees get another All-Star to add to their lineup. In that ballpark, CG could hit 35 homers and knock in 90+.
D-Backs do give up a couple of promising young players and will have to up payroll a bit, but if they're willing to do it, I don't see how we can accuse them of being negligent. Yes, Scherzer and Schlereth's ceiling is high but so is Edwin Jackson's. This is a guy who was an All-Star in the American League. Put him in the offensively anemic NL West and you could have something. Not to mention that, when healthy, a rotation spearheaded by Brandon Webb, Danny Haren, and Edwin Jackson is probably the best in the NL. With guys like Upton and Drew only getting better, the emergence of guys like Miguel Montero, and Conor Jackson coming back from Valley Fever, who's to say that Arizona, the best team in the NL for the 1st half of 2008, couldn't come back and contend?
Like this for the tigers and yanks. Jackson could do good in the nl and make this good for the dbacks but giving up max egh
listen to this man!!! Hes a former genius!Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing6
I personally think it's pretty even all around. The D-Back's may be getting a slightly worse deal than the Yankees and Tigers, but I don't think it's by a whole lot. Plus if Jackson keeps up his performance of last year he'll probably end up being a Type A free agent down the line, and netting the D-Back's a couple of picks.
The problem with the Diamondbacks side is both of the players they received are question marks. Kennedy and Jackson COULD be potential all-stars or they COULD just fall flat on their face and the Diamondbacks gave up a potential ace that they had under contract for 5 years for nothing.
Granderson has been consistent and will add defense and speed to center field. This now puts the pressure that they either trade Cabrera or sign Damon or just not talk to Damon and move Melk to left.
Detroit nets the biggest possible upswing of the trade. If the players they get become all-stars we all know they easily won the trade.
I won't post all of it because it's subscriber content only, but for anyone who doesn't see how Arizona lost this deal :
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So that's what happens when you leave Snakes out in the sun too long—they really do have brains to bake. Maybe I'm overreacting to this, in that I might risk trading Schlereth for Kennedy if I liked the headliners on an exchange. But this, I don't like, even as a past booster for Edwin Jackson. As much as I liked Jackson's unevenly great breakthrough season in 2009, I wouldn't want to trade two years of arbitration with him for Scherzer's future. Jackson's peripherals are nice enough—a 5.9 SNLVAR, .566 SNWP, yes, I want those things. Put him in the National League, and yes, maybe that helps him iron out his hard-earned reputation for inconsistency. But it's just two years, at a steep price, you're putting him in a bandbox of a ballpark, and it still leaves the Snakes waiting to sort out how to fix their offense. Maybe we can accept a casting exchange of Jackson and Brandon Webb in the 2010 rotation as a big step forward from Scherzer and Doug Davis.
Swell, fine, it's a modest cost savings compared to what the free market might get you, for a recently-minted starting pitcher of merit, albeit one whose performance record you'll find alongside the Oxford English Dictionary's definition of "mercurial." Playing for the upside risk isn't the worst idea in the world, especially when you're going to need to take some risks with a team that's now two seasons removed from relevance. The real problem is that this is a gamble based on the proposition that last season's offense had enough going for it to win the NL West—and as we should be used to by now, it wasn't, not in a division that had the Dodgers playing for bigger stakes, and has the Rockies fairly well established as a team that can beat you with pitching and defense in any environment, and scores enough runs to make it play anywhere, home or road. Stephen Drew and Chris B. Young have come up short, Conor Jackson's recovery is far from certain, and I'm not getting on that Brandon Allen bandwagon any time soon. That, I'm not so excited about, and while an improved attack might bank a few more wins from Jackson's contributions than Scherzer's in '09, it's a sandcastle in the sky as likely to go to dust as it is to provide the foundation for a new run of success.
Thing is that Max Scherzer right now is about as good as Edwin Jackson - except he's under team control for five years and Edwin Jackson is under team control for two. If they had the same service time, it'd be a push. But, they don't, and that's the crux of why it's poor for Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by skudplayr
I think the Tigers win this deal if the specs pan out.
true dat!Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
If Austin Jackson develops into a 3+ win player, DD is gonna look like a genius in a few years.
I like the deal for the Tigers. Granderson is OK...but the Yanks did give up IMO a fair amount to acquire IMO just an OK slightly above avg player. Coke gave them alot of innings last year, and Kennedy and Jackson have good potential. Granderson is gonna be pricey, but then again its the Yanks so for them dollars mean sh!t. I actually like the Tigers farm, and this isn't exactly a complete overhaul for them, i kind of like what they're doing.
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Originally Posted by dickay
If there's one thing Granderson isn't, it's pricey ;)Quote:
Curtis Granderson of
5 years/$30.25M (2008-13), plus 2014 club option
5 years/$30.25M (2008-13), plus 2014 club option
signed extension with Detroit 2/4/08
08:$1M, 09:$3.5M, 10:$5.5M, 11:$8.25M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M club option ($2M buyout)
2013 option increases to:
$15M if MVP (1st - 5th) in 2011 or 2012
$14M if All Star in 2011 or 2012
$13.5M if All Star selection in 2011 or 2012
award bonuses: $25,000 each for All Star, Gold Glove; $50,000 for Silver Slugger; $75,000 for LCS MVP; $0.1M for MVP, WS MVP
1 year/$0.41M (2007)
re-signed by Detroit 2/07
1 year/$0.335M (2006)
re-signed by Detroit 2/06
1 year (2005)
re-signed by Detroit 1/05
drafted 2002 (3-80)
$0.469M signing bonus
ML service: 3.077