Braves To Sign Billy Wagner
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Braves To Sign Billy Wagner
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It feels good.
it feels like you missed 2 threads that already had this posted
where is your all-Braves thread? can't you put this there?
Keep it tidy TNP, or we'll start taxing you for every new thread :D
Surprised. Thought for sure he'd be coming back to the Sox.
no way, he wanted to close somewhere, thats why he had the whole must-not-vest-option thingy when he was traded. And with his velocity back up after surgery, he appears to have the goods.
The Sox have space for him, and he'd be in the playoffs, but I think he wants to be relied on and pile up more numbers.
This was already posted in another thread, but I'm with you. It isn't really a BAD signing, but that's a lot of money to give to a reliever, let alone a 38 year old who's coming off TJ surgery and hasn't had an entire year of healthiness. In their favor, though, they only gave him one year. I know he has a vesting option, but if he's their closer (assumption), gaining 50 appearances will be a tough task unless he's healthy for a large majority of the season.
Yes, and much was made of that when he went to Boston. But it seemed, based on the sports-radio chatter over the past couple of months, like he'd been softening a bit on that, and had reached a certain comfort level with the Sox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
Which would also be a change, because that's what he seemed to be saying he didn't want, when he first landed in Boston. Maybe because he wanted time to get comfortable pitching again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
What are you inferring... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
Seriously, I like the signing. We spend $7 MM with only a 1 year commitment for an elite closer when we would have had to spend at least that with Soriano for multiple years (though I know he's younger) and we will get a top pick back once he or Gonzalez sign elsewhere (two if we are lucky).
thats true... and if he doesnt qualify for type A or B he wasnt very good and would not still be the cloer... interesting take... didnt think of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by free2131
Plus, with Gonzo hiring Scott Boras as his agent, it's not like the Braves stood a chance. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
amen brotha lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
Actually, at first I thought this was a terrible signing, but, actually, it's not bad. They'll get the picks back, and Wagner should be capable of staying healthy and dominating at the closer role. I'm not a fan of signing FA closers to big money, but 1 year 7 mil doesn't really qualify as big money anyway.
i think its a great signing for Atlanta.
1) Wagner pitching in Boston was the best thing for him last year. Why..because he had the goods and displayed it on a big stage. He earned serious coin during that stint.
2) While I agree its alot of money, sometimes you have to pay based upon what else is available. Do I give overpay somewhat for an aging arm who i'm pretty confident has the goods to be a top flight closer, or do I pay market value for a lesser pitcher who is albeit cheaper but unlikely to solidify the role? If there were other options out there more enticing, that likely would've brought Wagners value down.
3) The Sox, with all their bullpen options weren't going to pay that coin to keep Wags. Heck, i'm not certain they aren't entertaining trading Papelbon. Atlanta and Wagner get a win/win here IMO.
What is Mike Gonzalez supposed to get this off-season? Wouldn't the Braves rather have Gonzo rather than an outsider and lose a pick?
Or was he a type B?
Gonzalez is a Type A free agent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
yes, but he was a Brave....so it wouldn't cost them anything other than money. I was saying unless Wagner was a type A.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I wasn't sure.
But I don't see why you don't retain Gonzo instead of signing an outsider like Wagner and possibly lose a pick.
You'll be getting one, possible two, picks for Gonzalez leaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
bingoQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
the more I think about it... the more I like it
plus... u watch ... gonzo will get 8+ for 3+ years
That is what I was asking, what is Gonzo worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
ah gotcha... dont know if the 8+ is right... but the braves dont pay long term for relievers... I honestly cant remember the last time they gave a contract of more than 2-3 years MAX on a relieverQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Gonzo would cost much more than Wagner.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...name=law_keith
That's just the short version, obviously, but I 100% agree. The price is just too high for Wagner.Quote:
The Atlanta Braves needed bullpen help and they signed one of the best relievers available in Billy Wagner.
But the price is too high, and Wagner isn't good or reliable enough right now to merit giving up a first-round draft pick.
Does it really count that they gave up a pick, if they're just gonna get more picks back?
I understand that they could just keep all of them, but that makes the deal a lot more justifiable in my view.
I don't think so. It doesn't hurt them AS MUCH, but like you said, why waste one on a 38 year old coming off TJ surgery who never pitched back to back games except once?Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
Regardless of how you look at it, good or bad, it's not a terrible signing.
I didn't say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Oh..ionoQuote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar