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I've never seen anyone like this in real or sim life:
Greg Tolan:
Assets: Broke the major league HR mark (814), hitting over 50 homers in 6 seperate seasons. 7th all time in RBI (2113).
Drawbacks: A .199 career hitter(!). His OPS (now consider this is the all time HR king) is .700 (and it was .699 until his last season). Has far more strikeouts (2900) than hits (2300) and is the career leader in that. And he only made it to the postseason 1 time in his entire career.
not a very good hitter, he was a home run or strike out guy.
surprised he was allowed to play that long with those kinds of numbers.
I don't think you can really let a guy with a below .200 average into the hall as a hitter. and an ops of .700! he ONLY hit home runs
Yikes!
Was this guy on an AI-controlled team his whole career? Win any Glove Gloves? Make any all-star teams?
I vote NO. 36% of his hits were HRs, but he struck out over 25% of his ABs. So his K average was more than his batting average!!
Even if his OBP was his average, I still say no.
Plus, a trend I see for great players in BM is a near equal ammout of RBIs as Runs scored. He seemed to never be on base for others to knock him in.
What sort of defender was this guy? Stellar defense could be the kicker with the power numbers.
How bad was Detroit during his tenure? What sort of team did he have around him?
How do his numbers compare to other players of his era? Are HR hitters common?
I parsed a few numbers.
35.6% of hits were HR
HR represent 38.5% of his RBI total directly.
1261 extra base hits 6th all time behind Willie Mays
A power hitter with that low of a slugging percentage, really isn't that valuable of a hitter.
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Originally Posted by DiceDig
He was on an AI team his entire career, yes. He was a very good center fielder his entire career (range in 80s, fielding in high 90s). He was on a bunch of All-Star teams (on the years where he was hitting over .225 at the break lol).
lol guy sounds like jay buhner except his peak was a lot longer than was jay's... crazy stats though
Ya, i say no to the hall of fame. But a ton of writers would vote him in.
Obviously we do not have ALL of the information, basically, what kind of teams was he on (but you did say he was only the in the postseason like once or twice), but I can't say yes to someone that really wasn't that valuable.
Still not enough info. Did he win any Gold Gloves? Good def SABRmetric numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin401
Offensively, was he dramatically better than his peers? The years he hit 50+ HR, how close were other batters?
I need to know how he compares to other players of this ere before I can make an informed decision.
Rob Deer on steroids.
Mind if i ask a random question. How tall is he and how much does he weight. If you could post a screeny of his vital page I would be happy.
The only way this guy is a Hall of Famer is if the average OBP in his era was around .238.
i'd take him on my team
lol
team ERA is around 4.72 as of the screenshot ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That is probably a good indication.
To you and Ewing, some bad news probably: I was just doing a bunch of 50 year sims to see what are the most stable settings to settle down from the rise of talent levels so unless he was in the last sim, he's already been deleted. So I dont know about Gold Gloves or height/weight (I doubt he was mammoth because he was a CF and he had ok speed (75 whole career until the end).Quote:
Originally Posted by MadThespian
I was checking leaderboards and his peers were topping out mainly in the upper 40s, sometimes low 50s in the years he hit his big HR numbers. The OBP of the league was not much different than it was at the start of the sim at 2009 (in other news I think I found some useful settings to settle everything down in 10-12 years after the initial bulge). I'll check at work tomorrow but I think thats all the information I have. I mainly just wanted to share a bizarre person I noticed. Oh... he did make the Hall of Fame by the way (2nd year of eligibility, 86% of the vote).
Than he was, quite frankly, terrible. And, realistically, never would have amassed much playing time, let alone enough to pass any home run records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin401
It is a glitch, one version of the game randomlygenerates buggy centerfielders with loads of power, and some speed, but they are all over 7 feet tall and weigh an insane amount. What version were you on?
12.12... perhaps that is it? But I certainly never saw such a thing before and I've run a bunch of 50 to 100 year sims...Quote:
Originally Posted by FloydtheBarber
I find it ridiculous that people say he did not deserve his playing time. It shows not everyone understand baseball here.
The whole point is not to get hits or get on base but to score points. 60 HRs, 158 RBIs and 98 runs is like 30 points a game in basketball. And he played good defense as well.
A basketball player at 30 pts/game and good defense who does not get any rebounds or assist is still a 30 pts/game player with good defense. You don't play him PG or C but you play him.
I would take this guy in my lineup, pay him 10 millions or whatever, and let him hit 5th.
HOF, maybe not.
But a player who leads his team in RBIs, runs, HRs, gets his fair share of doubles and triples, plays good defense, etc. deserve playing time for sure.
I really hope that's sarcasm, but it really appears like it's not.
In real life, this guy WOULDN'T get playing time. You're delusional if you think someone that can barely stay at the Mendoza Line while taking a walk once in a blue moon would actually get serious playing time in real life.
But, anyway, the whole point IS to score runs, and making an out 72% of the time is not the way to maximize runs scored. People call guys like Adam Dunn "all or nothing players", but it really is not true. THIS guy is a true example of an all or nothing player...and it's not a good player.
RBI's? Please. This is 2009, not 1960. RBI's tell you very little about a player's actual value. They're too context-dependent. Put a bunch of good hitters in front of this guy and yeah, of course he's going to rack up a ton of RBI's because every 10-15 at bats he'll run into a pitch and drive every runner in...but that's more than outweighed by the 70% of the time that he heads back to the bench. He's an absolute out machine.
The player is the result of a known bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by FloydtheBarber
Thanks Floyd
That's why i asked for his size on the first page of this thread. I don't this bug was ever fixed. Was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok