Albert Pujols wins NL MVP unanimously

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

What's this have to do with giving up Johan Santana?

I never said Ryan Howard wouldn't upgrade the Mets at first base. I said trading Johan Santana for him is braindead dumb.

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Because we have pitchers that can fill in amiably for Santana.

and you're gonna dump Santana's payroll and lock up Howard?

Pretty sure you are just making the Phillies better here, for longer.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Because we have pitchers that can fill in amiably for Santana.

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do you have 5 pitchers that can replace Santana?

someone that will start 20 percent of your games?

hey HGM, Ollie can hold down the fort as a lefty ace!

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Because we have pitchers that can fill in amiably for Santana.

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Uh....

John Maine? Mike Pelfrey? Oliver Perez?

Yeah, they're certainly some of the top pitchers in the league.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Uh....

John Maine? Mike Pelfrey? Oliver Perez?

Yeah, they're certainly some of the top pitchers in the league.

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When we sign J-Lackz and/or Pinny we'll be filled out.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

When we sign J-Lackz and/or Pinny we'll be filled out.

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John Lackey isn't Johan Santana's caliber.

Also, Pinny? Who?

All of this is moot, anyway, since there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of it even being discussed.

Brad?

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

John Lackey isn't Johan Santana's caliber.

Also, Pinny? Who?

All of this is moot, anyway, since there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of it even being discussed.

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Thats easy, Penny Hardaway of course. Remember the guard from the Magic, he was awesome!

Brad Penny? To replace Johan Santana?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Brad?

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That's what I thought....but I can't believe that even metsguy thinks Brad Penny can "fill in amiably" for Johan Santana.

Um no... Pinny isn't Penny.... I think I can spell

Apparently no one is aware of the existence of this fellow named Joel Pineiro.

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Originally Posted by ragecage

Thats easy, Penny Hardaway of course. Remember the guard from the Magic, he was awesome!

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score! i loved him !

At this point it's probably best to just ignore metsguy. If he wants to fill a rotation up his imaginary rotation with Joe Pineiro or Oliver Perez as his ace just let him.

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Originally Posted by 200tang

At this point it's probably best to just ignore metsguy. If he wants to fill a rotation up his imaginary rotation with Joe Pineiro or Oliver Perez as his ace just let him.

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wat

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Um no... Pinny isn't Penny.... I think I can spell

Apparently no one is aware of the existence of this fellow named Joel Pineiro.

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I very highly doubt he will perform ever again like he did this year, remember, he also had solid d with Ryan and pujols behind him. as well fill in players that are better than reyes and castillo.

although, Wright isn't a bad third basemen.

You would trade Santana for Howard?

Honestly? or are you just playing?

because there is no way you will replace Santana unless you get someone like Lincecum or Halladay to help.

It makes literally no sense what so ever.

and pitching is so much more valuable than a strike out, homer hitting first basemen. Much less an incredible starting pitcher.

Oh. Replace Johan Santana with Joel Pineiro.

Makes MUCH more sense...















HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i have never heard him called Pinney.....and i have watched him for two and a half years.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Um no... Pinny isn't Penny.... I think I can spell

Apparently no one is aware of the existence of this fellow named Joel Pineiro.

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See, I call players by their...you know...names.

And Joel Pineiro is not close to John Lackey's caliber, let alone Johan Santana.

Jeffy, im sure you watched a lot of Cardinals games this year, did they ever refer to Joel Pineiro as Pinny?

edit: Just saw you answered my question, its like you can see into the future man! :)

hahaha, that's funny.

sorry MG, funny though.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

i have never heard him called Pinney.....and i have watched him for two and a half years.

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It's a nickname I made up just now.

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i have never heard him called Pinney.....and i have watched him for two and a half years.

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Nobody calls John Lackey "J-Lackz" either. Metsguy just enjoys making up stupid nicknames that only he uses.

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Originally Posted by ragecage

Jeffy, im sure you watched a lot of Cardinals games this year, did they ever refer to Joel Pineiro as Pinny?

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never


that i recall at least.

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and pitching is so much more valuable than a strike out, homer hitting first basemen. Much less an incredible starting pitcher.

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Howard could give us value every day. Santana could give us value once every 5 days. The difference is clear to me IMO.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

never


that i recall at least.

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laughter with an inserted WTF ensues.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Uh....

John Maine? Mike Pelfrey? Oliver Perez?

Yeah, they're certainly some of the top pitchers in the league.

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you forgot pat mistch, tim redding, and whatever bum they sign this year

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Howard could give us value every day. Santana could give us value once every 5 days. The difference is clear to me IMO.

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This is the most tired and incorrect statement bandied about that is technically true. Yes, starters only pitch every 5 days...but they have a much greater impact on the games that they do play in. In fact, a starter who plays all year will have more plate appearances against him than an everyday player that plays all year will make. Being an everyday player does not make you more valuable than every starting pitcher.

Adam Everett can give you value every day, too, but would you take him over Johan Santana?

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Howard could give us value every day. Santana could give us value once every 5 days. The difference is clear to me IMO.

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I know you are joking, even you know that logic doesn't work.

Santana gives you value on every pitch every 5th day. Howard gets 20 at bats every 5th day.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

This is the most tired and incorrect statement bandied about that is technically true. Yes, starters only pitch every 5 days...but they have a much greater impact on the games that they do play in. In fact, a starter who plays all year will have more plate appearances against him than an everyday player that plays all year will make. Being an everyday player does not make you more valuable than every starting pitcher.

Adam Everett can give you value every day, too, but would you take him over Johan Santana?

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Yeah he can play defense and is kinda fast. Johan can only play defense once every five days:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I know you are joking, even you know that logic doesn't work.

Santana gives you value on every pitch every 5th day. Howard gets 20 at bats every 5th day.

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So Santana has equal value if he pitches 6 2/3 innings. That's hardly a given.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

So Santana has equal value if he pitches 6 2/3 innings. That's hardly a given.

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Uh, no, not necessarily how that works.

Also, Santana averaged nearly exactly 6.2 innings per start in 2009. More than that in 2008.

I was wrong. Now that I think about it, we could easily get a free-agent 1B or something, so we don't need to trade Santana to get Howard. It was a silly idea.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

I was wrong. Now that I think about it, we could easily get a free-agent 1B or something, so we don't need to trade Santana to get Howard. It was a silly idea.

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