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11-20-2009, 11:58 PM
free2131

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by skudplayr

I guess I've seen the Phillies beat him up in the playoffs one too many times.

Yeah, all those TWO games. Boy what a history of sucking...

I guess you're right, though, since he didn't have success against the Phillies this yea... oh wait, May 14th you say... ;)
11-21-2009, 12:03 AM
ewing6

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

If their biggest weakness was their starting pitching, why would they trade away a 25-year old starting pitcher? The only category he seriously regressed in this year was ERA/ERA+, and that's much less under his control than BB/9, K/9, and HR/9 all of which were slightly off from last year's ratios and were in line with his career numbers. He'll be fine.

Hey welcome back actionjackson
11-21-2009, 12:03 AM
haveacigar

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

The marginal benefit of Halladay over Billingsley simply isn't worth the massive increase in cost and loss of team control.

I don't think the Dodgers should avoid trading for Halladay, I just think that offering Kershaw or Billingsley would defeat the purpose.
11-21-2009, 12:12 AM
skudplayr

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

Yeah...a marginal difference.

4.03 ERA in the NL vs. 2.79 ERA in the AL

Real marginal...only a run and a half lower in the more difficult league.
11-21-2009, 01:18 AM
haveacigar

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by skudplayr

Yeah...a marginal difference.

4.03 ERA in the NL vs. 2.79 ERA in the AL

Real marginal...only a run and a half lower in the more difficult league.

Not what I meant by marginal....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_concepts
11-21-2009, 04:14 AM
NYDodgers

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

...So you can beat the Yankees/Red Sox to the punch and get him signed up to an extension through 2014 before they can get their "greedy" paws on him.

I don't see how having a player on your team the year of his free agency lets you "beat other teams to the punch." How did that work out for the Cards and Holliday? and Angels and Tex? The only reason the Mets signed Johan was because they gave him a huge contract anyway, and the Yankees or Red Sox weren't likely to go much higher than that.

I kind of recall that they negotiated that there would be a contract extension before the Johan trade occurred or something, but either way, I highly doubt Halladay is going to be giving hometown discounts to his next team.

When a player wants to hit free agency and get his money, very little can stop him. Just look at LeBron.
11-21-2009, 08:03 AM
HoustonGM

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by NYDodgers

I don't see how having a player on your team the year of his free agency lets you "beat other teams to the punch." How did that work out for the Cards and Holliday? and Angels and Tex? The only reason the Mets signed Johan was because they gave him a huge contract anyway, and the Yankees or Red Sox weren't likely to go much higher than that.

I kind of recall that they negotiated that there would be a contract extension before the Johan trade occurred or something, but either way, I highly doubt Halladay is going to be giving hometown discounts to his next team.

When a player wants to hit free agency and get his money, very little can stop him. Just look at LeBron.

Presumably, acquiring Halladay now comes with the negotiation window to work out an extension.
11-21-2009, 08:56 AM
haveacigar

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Presumably, acquiring Halladay now comes with the negotiation window to work out an extension.

Yeah but for a guy like Halladay, he's still going to take the best offer. He's not likely to pass up a more lucrative offer from the Yanks or Sox because he's playing in LA at the time.
11-21-2009, 11:39 AM
skudplayr

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

How do you know? You know what his contract demands are?
11-21-2009, 11:57 AM
actionjackson

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by haveacigar

Yeah but for a guy like Halladay, he's still going to take the best offer. He's not likely to pass up a more lucrative offer from the Yanks or Sox because he's playing in LA at the time.

Which becomes a moot point if a deal to LA includes an extension window that results in an extension through 2014 or so. ;)
11-21-2009, 01:15 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by haveacigar

Yeah but for a guy like Halladay, he's still going to take the best offer. He's not likely to pass up a more lucrative offer from the Yanks or Sox because he's playing in LA at the time.

What I'm saying though is that LA will agree to a long-term deal with him before acquiring him.
11-21-2009, 01:16 PM
gosensgo101

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

Best case scenario for me: We deal him to a contender for a good haul, doesn't resign there, and we get him back for 2011. :D

That's wishful thinking, but one can dream.
11-21-2009, 02:26 PM
kellys11

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

I would definately give up Billingsley if I'm the Dodgers to get Roy (assuming they can work out a contract negotiation).....but if I'm the Jays I need more than Billingley. Roy is proven to be one of the best pitchers in baseball for the past few years and is still relatively young.

I would also give up Kershaw to get Roy....Kershaw has less than 1 good season who knows what he'll end up being, you know what you get with Halladay.
11-21-2009, 02:30 PM
skudplayr

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

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Originally Posted by gosensgo101

Best case scenario for me: We deal him to a contender for a good haul, doesn't resign there, and we get him back for 2011. :D

That's wishful thinking, but one can dream.

Didn't he already say he wasn't going to resign with Toronto?
11-21-2009, 04:01 PM
skudplayr

Re: Halladay to Dodgers?

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yanke...teVUJojfHb13aI

yeah

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