NL Cy Young Winner is...................

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Personally, I find that to be an exercise in self-flagellation and most people come to conclusions about players way to soon. I see it in comments sections everywhere. "Stupid GM X, should've taken player Y". Around here the hue and cry was "Why did J.P. take Ricky Romero ahead of Troy Tulowitzki." When Romero started off with a bang this year and Tulo was coming off a horrible 2008 and looked to be just as bad at the start of this year, it was "Troy who?". By the end of the year it was back to "Stupid J.P." Don't get me wrong I would much rather have Tulo, but it just shows to go you the insanity of fandom. We're still only 4 years removed from the Tulo/Romero draft. Patience grasshoppers. The results will be in in due time. To conclude anything about the 2006 draft (Reynolds/Lincecum/Snider etc) before 2011 isn't really fair to the late bloomers.

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absolutely, i say you can't honestly know what kind of a prospect you have until they are at least 25-26. players can fazzle out just as quickly as they were good for example.

it's kind of like if tulo goes down with a career ending injury next year, and romero ends up slowly improving each year for the next 8. then it wouldn't be stupid j.p.

you can't hate on the team that made the draft selections. It isn't really fair at all.

I just like to look back, see the results, see how players turned out etc.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

How many first overall picks have had valuable careers?

A rod and griffey and a small number of others?

It's just fun to watch.

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WAR.

Did not make majors:
Steve Chilcott
Brien Taylor

< 0 - 10 WAR:
Ron Blomberg
Tim Foli
Mike Ivie
Danny Goodwin (was selected 1st overall twice 1971 and 1975)
Dave Roberts
David Clyde
Bill Almon
Al Chambers
Paul Wilson
Shawn Abner
Matt Anderson
Shawon Dunston

10.1 - 20 WAR:
Jeff Burroughs
Jeff King
Phil Nevin
Kris Benson
Ben McDonald

20.1 - 30 WAR:
Floyd Bannister
Bob Horner
Mike Moore
Darin Erstad
Tim Belcher

30.1 - 40 WAR:
Harold Baines
B.J. Surhoff
Andy Benes

40.1 - 50 WAR:
Daryl Strawberry

70.1 - 80 WAR:
Chipper Jones
Ken Griffey, Jr.

90+ WAR:
Alex Rodriguez

I didn't list the following guys above because they're still playing and it's too early to really put them anywhere:

Adrian Gonzalez
Pat Burrell
Josh Hamilton
Joe Mauer
Justin Upton
Tim Beckham
David Price
Luke Hochevar
Delmon Young
Brian Bullington
Stephen Strasburg
Matthew Bush

http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_13828847

I laughed my ass off at this part:

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Whichever, apparently it was this new-age criteria that put Lincecum over the top. It inspired two voters to omit Carpenter entirely from their ballots. One of them, ESPN.com’s Keith Law, defended his position with a treatise which ended, “As for the win total of each pitcher: I ignored that, because, as I’ve said for years, it tells us nothing useful about how well the pitcher performed.”

Yes, you read that correctly. No doubt we can look forward to the day when some cipher jockey reviews the 1968 season, in which 31-game winner Denny McLain was the unanimous pick as the AL Cy Young. There he discovers, using statistical models such as FIP, VORP, THPPP and NYUK-NYUK-NYUK, that Baltimore’s Tom Phoebus actually had a vastly superior season.

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Didn't even bother to read the rest. The amount of idiocy and ignorance packed into that excerpt is just absolutely hilarious.

But alas, Tim Lincecum's NYUK-NYUK-NYUK rules the day!

So basically his point is that ignorance is bliss?

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Originally Posted by ragecage

So basically his point is that ignorance is bliss?

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Sorry, you root for the A's, anything you say is invalid. Stupid Beane and his 'moneyball' ruined baseball by introducing stats like OBP and Nyuk-Nyuk-Nyuk.

Freakin' nerd.

You forgot THPPP!!!

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Originally Posted by 200tang

Sorry, you root for the A's, anything you say is invalid. Stupid Beane and his 'moneyball' ruined baseball by introducing stats like OBP and Nyuk-Nyuk-Nyuk.

Freakin' nerd.

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Why dont you go to Wala Wala.

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Originally Posted by ragecage

Why dont you go to Wala Wala.

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Is that some kind of nerd stat :rolleyes:? Maybe if you got your nose out of your spreadsheets you could get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

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Originally Posted by 200tang

Is that some kind of nerd stat :rolleyes:? Maybe if you got your nose out of your spreadsheets you could get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

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And stop creating stats for the sole purpose of screwing up the Cy Young voting!!

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Originally Posted by 200tang

Is that some kind of nerd stat :rolleyes:? Maybe if you got your nose out of your spreadsheets you could get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

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Well maybe if you didnt get rained on so much.....yeah I have nothing.

WAIT...

Youre a stupid face. Stupid face.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

WAR.

Did not make majors:
Steve Chilcott
Brien Taylor

< 0 - 10 WAR:
Ron Blomberg
Tim Foli
Mike Ivie
Danny Goodwin (was selected 1st overall twice 1971 and 1975)
Dave Roberts
David Clyde
Bill Almon
Al Chambers
Paul Wilson
Shawn Abner
Matt Anderson
Shawon Dunston

10.1 - 20 WAR:
Jeff Burroughs
Jeff King
Phil Nevin
Kris Benson
Ben McDonald

20.1 - 30 WAR:
Floyd Bannister
Bob Horner
Mike Moore
Darin Erstad
Tim Belcher

30.1 - 40 WAR:
Harold Baines
B.J. Surhoff
Andy Benes

40.1 - 50 WAR:
Daryl Strawberry

70.1 - 80 WAR:
Chipper Jones
Ken Griffey, Jr.

90+ WAR:
Alex Rodriguez

I didn't list the following guys above because they're still playing and it's too early to really put them anywhere:

Adrian Gonzalez
Pat Burrell
Josh Hamilton
Joe Mauer
Justin Upton
Tim Beckham
David Price
Luke Hochevar
Delmon Young
Brian Bullington
Stephen Strasburg
Matthew Bush

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thanks for the breakdown, but maybe not use war for pitchers, but maybe something similiar?

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

thanks for the breakdown, but maybe not use war for pitchers, but maybe something similiar?

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That's not Fangraphs WAR. It's a different system.

ic, the pitchers seemed properly placed so ya

One thing to keep in mind about first round picks is that a lot of guys fall out of the first round in to rounds 3-6 because of injuries or signability reasons, but are considered 1st round talents by most. A lot of first round guys are 'safe picks' meaning that they have a higher floor than the 'boom or bust' type picks later on.

Just this year we saw the Pirates take Tony Sanchez because his absolute floor was a backup catcher with a decent chance to be an above average catcher.

Lincecum smokes pot what a bum!!!!