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I think most fans outside of the Yankee fan base would just be happy enough if Yankee fans would just come out and see the light and get a grip that ...yes, their team has an advantage and yes they take advantage of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
What is most aggravating is when we have all the facts there and then a Yankee fan outright flatout denies it has anything to do with Yankee success.
Ill gladly take it if you dont like it. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Alot of teams were doomed after the strike. Toronto. Pittsburgh. Kansas City are other examples of teams that have just been nothing more than farm clubs for teams with higher revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
In the case of Pittsburgh and Kansas City, I don't think the strike had much to do with it. Those are clear-cut cases of incompetent front offices.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobToxin
I came across a situation like that with a Laker fan. He actually had the nerve to say Lamar Odom was better than Kevin Garnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobToxin
My reply to him, "Im not talking sports with you anymore, you have no clue about anything." and I turned around and walked away. Which is precisely what to do with Yankee fans that act like that.
Surprisingly KC was only 4 games out of 1st (64-51) when the strike occurred. Now Pittsburgh, yeah horrible FO.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
KC had a decent team in the strike year, but what's doomed them since is certainly a terrible front office. I don't know what sort of effect the strike had on them, but they've still made terrible moves all along. The only team that I believe was truly, significantly affected by the strike was the Expos.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Yep I feel the same. I think there was no real possible way to win the fans back after that happened. Its sad really, they had such a great team at the time that was only going to get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
What the Yankees don't get credit for is their inovation.
The Yankees were the first team to embrace free agency, with the signing of Catfish Hunter. This was done at a time when the Yankees were not even making a profit, CBS sold the Yankees to Steinbrenner's group at a loss.
The Yankees pioneered having their own television network. Much of the income that you see comes from the very successful YES network.
The Yankees were able to make Baseball work where the Dodgers and Giants couldn't. The two national league teams abandoned New York City for the West Coast. The question still is why the Dodgers aren't more successfull than the Yankees. Pick a point say, 1981 when those two teams met in the Series. Why, from that point, couldn't the Dodgers have done better than the Yanks?
I was barely born that year 1981, wasnt that World Series not taken very seriously because of the strike?
Dodgers fans have the reputation of only caring about the team when things are going well, and maybe not even then. Perhaps this is undeserved...but if the fans don't come to see the team when it is not doing well, then the ticket revenue is not there to rebuild the team with. Also, I doubt that the Dodgers could get their own TV station in LA, but I could be wrong on that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldYankFan
kc needs to go back to turf and build a team of speed again, what they had was impressive speed on astro turfQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I'd suggest that they just need to stop being incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Here's how it went: Bud the Slug cancelled the Series. The fans got rightfully pissed. When they came back from the lock-out, almost all the good players were auctioned off, which can work in the long-term, but given that they'd just had an awesome team and hadn't been able to enjoy the fruits of that awesomeness, the fans were livid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobToxin
Think of how much worse the Miami market would've been had the lock-out come three years later when the Marlins won it all and then absolutely gutted the team for the 1998 season. It's bad now, but they would've been the ones in Washington had the lock-out happened three years later.
Then, Jeffery Loria, master of scorched earth baseball 101 bought the team from Claude Brochu in 1999 and went to work on killing it off for good/getting it contracted/preparing it to be moved to another market. I don't know what happened with the media stuff. Maybe nobody stepped forward to pay for the rights because the numbers for 1999 were in the toilet. Whatever the case may be, he couldn't get a TV or radio deal and then when he failed to get support for a downtown stadium that was just about all she wrote. The attitude of the government was probably why should we support a stadium for a sport that screwed us? Then the 2002 contraction vote came and Minnesotans to their credit fought it tooth and nail. By then, we were eight years removed from the lock-out, no games had been on the radio or TV in 2 years and I'm pretty sure that except for the die-hards, most Montrealers greeted MLB with great indifference. Wouldn't you?
The final nail in the coffin was MLB allowing John Henry to own two teams at once (Florida and Boston), parachuting Loria out of Montreal and into Florida and bringing its own brand of incompetence to running the Expos starting in 2002. Omar Minaya (he of the Bartolo Colon from the Indians for Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips, and Grady Sizemore stroke of brilliance: ask Nats fans how they feel about that one) was made GM and basically tore the team to shreds. Yet, if you ask guys like Michael Barrett and Brad Wilkerson who were there at the bitter end, they'll tell you that those that hadn't been turned off by the groundswell of s**t during the decade I've just laid out for you were as passionate as ever about the Bleu, Blanc, et Rouge. Surprisingly enough, their numbers weren't strong enough. I wonder why? Perfect storm, gigantic clusterf**k, whatever you want to call it, they didn't stand a chance.
Maybe those last few years of each front office person doing the work of four people will benefit the only baseball team left in Canada though. Our current GM got his start as an intern there working for Dana Brown, who now works for him and current director of player personnel Tony LaCava once worked there as well before moving onto Cleveland and assisting in the raping and pillaging of the Expos/Nats farm system. I doubt that will do anything to ease the pain of the Expos fans left in the wake of the tsunami of 1994-2004 though. :(