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Granderson and friends
Detroit wants to trade down the payroll. Curtis Granderson, Edwin Jackson, and Gerald Laird plus others are all on the block. The big one is Granderson. I see 6 teams going after him big money.
I can only speak for the Yankees cause thats all I know. They are going to package Austin Jackson and other prospects to try and get CG. Damon wants a multi-year so that is the problem. The other option is to resign Matsui as DH for 1-2 years, move Jackson up, and go after Edwin Jackson with Betances and others. This would leave an outfield of Cabrera/Jackson (rookie), and Swisher/Nady. Then go after Holliday.
I see the former happening but not the latter. For some ****ed up reason, the Yankees hate bringing guys up now. Cano may be the last for a while. Granderson gives them a solid CF. Re-sign Damon for 2 years in left. Re-sign Matsui for 1 year at DH. Plus Swisher/Nady in right. Bench has Cabrera who is solid on any team but the Yanks. Rotation with Sabathia, Burnett, Chamberlain, Pettitte, Hughes, and Wang. Move Kennedy and Melancon to bullpen permanently with Coke and friends, and possibly add another lefty. This is my dream team for 2010.
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The only way they move Granderson is if they are wowed and Austin Jackson just had a really really weird year fueled by a crazy high BABIP and no power. Any trade involving Granderson and the Yankees is gonna need more than Jackson as a 'centerpiece'. He's not that great of a prospect, certainly not on the level of Granderson.
Anyways, I doubt Granderson is going to be seriously talked about. Just like with waivers you're gonna see a lot of big names being brought up that teams are honestly not going to get rid of. If Detroit moves anyone it's going to be Jackson, but it probably won't be unless they're wowed by a deal or if he has a good first half next season.
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I forgot to mention, Gardner is your best bet in CF, not Melky. Gardner is the better runner and kills Cabrera defensively.
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Im still not sold on Gardner and probably never will be.
That said, Detroit has announced that they will be slashing payroll. They have too many long term contracts and want to unload. Granderson will go. To whom, I dont know. The NYY is my pipe dream.
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grasshopper
Im still not sold on Gardner and probably never will be.
That said, Detroit has announced that they will be slashing payroll. They have too many long term contracts and want to unload. Granderson will go. To whom, I dont know. The NYY is my pipe dream.
I don't see why they would considering Ordonez is coming off the books after this year and his salary is huge.
http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/home...ally-mean.html
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A lot of contracts are bad, so you can expect other GMs to have little interest. But a couple of players -- Granderson, Edwin Jackson -- have trade value. Talk is sparked.
And then the media got word of it.
Well, you know what the national media think of the Tigers. The prevailing storyline heading into the 2009 season was to expect the Tigers to fall behind in the standings, and watch as they become the first team to have a fire sale. Why? Because their payroll was high, and Michigan has economic problems.
A safe prediction to make right? Whoops.
So now, I think history is repeating itself. The Tigers still have too high a payroll. The economy is still bad. And the Tigers' general manager is shopping a few of his players around.
Financial problems in Detroit! Firesale, straight ahead!
Or not.
So, as I was saying, what does it mean?
Despite the myth of owner Mike Ilitch's deep pockets, I think it's a sign the Tigers really won't be able to do much of anything on the free agent market due to financial constraints. They will improve themselves on the trade market if that is at all possible. But I don't believe Dombrowski feels pressured to trade any players if he can't improve his team's chances in 2010 and beyond.
Winning consistently is the reason they play the game, and it's what we ask for. Any player could be traded. Even fan favorites.
But there's really no reason to fear a firesale this offseason.
And like I said, even if they do shop Granderson and trade him, they can get better than a package centered around Austin Jackson.
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And like I said, even if they do shop Granderson and trade him, they can get better than a package centered around Austin Jackson.
I agree. 1) I said I only know the Yanks 2) I said it was a pipe dream. Now ****ing relax
Granderson is as good as gone as well as a good portion of the Tigers. Detroit is getting slammed due to the economy. Sponsors are pulling out rapidly.
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grasshopper
I agree. 1) I said I only know the Yanks 2) I said it was a pipe dream. Now ****ing relax
lol, I'm not even getting worked up over it. Just pointing stuff out. If you don't want people to reply to it then make a blog or something.
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Not worked up. Just sick of people posting links to articles without any thoughts of their own. As for blogging, I'll stick to porn.
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grasshopper
Just sick of people posting links to articles without any thoughts of their own.
There's nothing wrong with taking advice from people, especially when it's about a team I don't normally follow and it makes logical sense. :|
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grasshopper
Not worked up. Just sick of people posting links to articles without any thoughts of their own.
There's a fine line between thinking for yourself and pulling *meep* out of your ass.
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I think there is only a few teams that can pull off this type of trade and it would be the teams with the most possible prospects that the Tigers can receive. That would most likely include the Red Sox, Phillies, and the Yankees.
The Yankees can make just about any kind of move and move around their players in order to fit a player like Granderson, just like it was noted previously above.
I previously heard this past season that the Phillies have a lot of prospects to offer in their system but I don't believe their team is in a desperate need for Granderson as their outfield and even their whole lineup was pretty comparable to most AL lineups. Their main forcus is a third baseman and relief help anyways.
The Red Sox definately have the prospects to make the trade (depends if they are willing to unload a lot) and I am sure they wouldn't mind shifting around the outfield to accomodate to Granderson if Jason Bay is not resigned. Even though there is already 2 catchers on the Sox, I am sure they would be willing to take on Lair and have him start catching, Martinez to firstbase and youkilis to 3rd, if maybe some how the Red Sox are ready to let go of Lowell. The Sox would take Edwin Jackson with no problem, because they love stacking up all sorts of starting pitchers on the roster. Of course I am not sure what I would rather have, another speedy outfielder but can do just about everything or have a power source in the middle of the lineup.
If there is another team that could have potential of unloaded numerous prospects I would love to hear people ideas on this.
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The Giants come to mind when talking about a team that needs offense and has prospects.
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The Tigers are not slashing payroll. No one with the organization has announced anything like that. It's just a bunch of speculation from dumb writers that have nothing better to do.
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200tang
The Giants come to mind when talking about a team that needs offense and has prospects.
Haha, yeah I am totally lost when it comes to a lot of NL west coast teams. I did a little research and found out a little more about their prospects. Here is rough list of the following:
Buster Posey (Catcher)
Madison Bumgarner (P)
Tim Alderson (P)
Angel Villalona (1B)
Conor Gillaspie (3B)
Nick Noonan (2B)
Henry Sosa (P)
The first two are definately the Giant's biggest prospects and look to be almost major league ready for this year. Now that you brought up the Giants 200tang, they definately got the prospects, but do we expect them to possibly give up a handful of these guys? I personally am not too sure. I may go for it if I were the Giants, just because you will get decently young players in return and they have all basically have proven themselves, but you will definately have to clear out most of your prospects which the organization has spent most of their money on from what I have read.
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haveacigar
The Tigers are not slashing payroll. No one with the organization has announced anything like that. It's just a bunch of speculation from dumb writers that have nothing better to do.
It's always fun to talk about no matter how absurd it is, lol!
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rschusta24
Haha, yeah I am totally lost when it comes to a lot of NL west coast teams. I did a little research and found out a little more about their prospects. Here is rough list of the following:
Buster Posey (Catcher)
Madison Bumgarner (P)
Tim Alderson (P)
Angel Villalona (1B)
Conor Gillaspie (3B)
Nick Noonan (2B)
Henry Sosa (P)
The first two are definately the Giant's biggest prospects and look to be almost major league ready for this year. Now that you brought up the Giants 200tang, they definately got the prospects, but do we expect them to possibly give up a handful of these guys? I personally am not too sure. I may go for it if I were the Giants, just because you will get decently young players in return and they have all basically have proven themselves, but you will definately have to clear out most of your prospects which the organization has spent most of their money on from what I have read.
Tim Alderson plays for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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haveacigar
Tim Alderson plays for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Figures, I looked a bunch of different sites. Giants don't have a good up to date prospect site like the Red Sox do. Thanks for the correction. That's probably who got trade for Freddy Sanchez I am guessing?
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haveacigar
The Tigers are not slashing payroll. No one with the organization has announced anything like that. It's just a bunch of speculation from dumb writers that have nothing better to do.
Angels and Tigers confirmed to be discussing Granderson
I hope you're correct, I'd prefer the Tigers keep what they have. Shopping Laird/Granderson/Jackson seems silly to me.
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Alloutwar
Wow, very interesting report. I think that a trade with the Angels would be very "silly" to take your words, haha. Maybe some of the Angels guys in the forum can help me out, but I am not really sold on the prospects that they have. I think the Tigers could go out and get a hell of a lot more from other teams. With these reports coming out, I am sure we will hear about other teams discussing this as well.
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Alloutwar
lol, that's just hilarious to me. Juan Rivera/Bobby Abreu/Gary Mathews Jr./Torii Hunter.
More outfielders please!
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200tang
lol, that's just hilarious to me. Juan Rivera/Bobby Abreu/Gary Mathews Jr./Torii Hunter.
More outfielders please!
Haha, true. Is there a worse contract for basically a back up outfielder like Gary Mathews Jr. If anything the Angels need to be trying to unload some outfielders instead of gaining. $10.4 million = WOW!
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Alloutwar
I understand that. But just because they're listening to offers doesn't mean they are actively slashing payroll.
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I will say this about the Detroit/LAA deal, if they get a deal centered around Brandon Wood and another 1 or 2 good prospects I'd probably take that for Granderson. It would obviously depend on the other prospects and if they're willing to take on any other players with bad contracts, but LAA has a good farm system.
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sorry, just saw i was late to the party, i didn't see the second page of posts.
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200tang
I will say this about the Detroit/LAA deal, if they get a deal centered around Brandon Wood and another 1 or 2 good prospects I'd probably take that for Granderson. It would obviously depend on the other prospects and if they're willing to take on any other players with bad contracts, but LAA has a good farm system.
Just for debate sake, what if it was the Red Sox and the key players to the deal were, Jaboby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, and Daniel Bard and also a few lower tier prospect, would that be a better option? I have heard that a deal like this would be needed and maybe more, if anything was to happen to Felix Hernandez or even possibly Adrian Gonzalez. Not saying any of that is going to happen, it has just been discussions so far.
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rschusta24
Just for debate sake, what if it was the Red Sox and the key players to the deal were, Jaboby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, and Daniel Bard and also a few lower tier prospect, would that be a better option? I have heard that a deal like this would be needed and maybe more, if anything was to happen to Felix Hernandez or even possibly Adrian Gonzalez. Not saying any of that is going to happen, it has just been discussions so far.
If the Red Sox offered that package to me as the Tigers for Curtis Granderson, I'd take it in a heartbeat and ponder to myself what idiot alien replaced Theo Epstein.
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HoustonGM
If the Red Sox offered that package to me as the Tigers for Curtis Granderson, I'd take it in a heartbeat and ponder to myself what idiot alien replaced Theo Epstein.
Hahahaha. I personally wouldn't want to because I love Ellsbury because we have never had such a speed threat on the bases, plus he's a decent fielder and I was really pleased with Buchholz this past year. I was affraid he wouldn't ever pan out, let's hope he can take it into this season.
Anyways, if it is true about Felix Hernandez, which I don't think Seattle is seriously considering at all, if that is the basis of the trade, good deal or not? I personally don't really want to even though he is an AMAZING pitcher, but I just don't want to unload that much young talent.
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I'd trade that for Felix Hernandez if I was Boston.
I don't know if I'd do it if I was Seattle. Probably not.
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I have a feeling the Red Sox will do something big, you just dont have the Yankees win the World Series and do nothing about it. I would be sick to my stomach if I was Epstein.
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rschusta24
Jaboby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, and Daniel Bard
Those guys for Felix? I'd probably not root for the Mariners until they made it up to me.
Honestly though.
Ellsbury = Decent player, nothing special. He plays below average defense in CF which is crazy considering how good he is on the basepaths and his offense gets a big boost from fenway.
Buchholz = Good prospect, but I wouldn't call him an equal to Felix. If a Felix trade were to happen though, Buchholz is going to be involved.
Bard = Another good prospect, but he's a reliever and he only has so much value over the course of a season.
Also : The Mariners spent 2 of their last 3 first round picks on relievers, so getting Bard doesn't fit our needs and Ellsbury could move to LF, but the Mariners already have Michael Saunders/Tyson Gillies/Dustin Ackley.
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The A's will own you guys next year. :)
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ragecage
The A's will own you guys next year. :)
Maybe, the only team I think WONT finish in last place is the Rangers. The AL West is, in my mind, the third toughest division in the game behind both Easts. Crazy how good the teams are run now considering how bad the division was not long ago.
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200tang
Maybe, the only team I think WONT finish in last place is the Rangers. The AL West is, in my mind, the third toughest division in the game behind both Easts. Crazy how good the teams are run now considering how bad the division was not long ago.
Yeah seriously though, Im not sold on Geren as manager, he really makes some boneheaded moves with the bullpen. I really wish we kept Ron Washington and made him manager. I think its very possible for all teams in the AL West to be around .500 or better in the end next season.
Our downfall of course would be a lack of a great power hitter. I love our Rotation however, could be the best in baseball in 2011 barring injuries.
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ragecage
I have a feeling the Red Sox will do something big, you just dont have the Yankees win the World Series and do nothing about it. I would be sick to my stomach if I was Epstein.
Exactly! I think everyone around Boston is expecting it too. It may not be Felix but I do feel like it may be something big and it will come in the form of a trade. Epstein already said that there is a good chance this offseason will be similar to last, not a ton of spending. So my thought is, why not trading then, haha.
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rschusta24
Exactly! I think everyone around Boston is expecting it too. It may not be Felix but I do feel like it may be something big and it will come in the form of a trade. Epstein already said that there is a good chance this offseason will be similar to last, not a ton of spending. So my thought is, why not trading then, haha.
I think he is buying his time, you dont want to show your hand early because the Yankees will try to counter what the Sox are doing.
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ragecage
I think he is buying his time, you dont want to show your hand early because the Yankees will try to counter what the Sox are doing.
Exactly.
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if felix was involved in any trade, expect to be moving at least two solid pitching rotation prospects.
and i don't know why seattle would move him.
1. they can afford him
2. they have a competitive team, that could easily win their division.
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Jeffy25
if felix was involved in any trade, expect to be moving at least two solid pitching rotation prospects.
and i don't know why seattle would move him.
1. they can afford him
2. they have a competitive team, that could easily win their division.
That's exactly why I said I doubt it would happen. It just wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for Seattle. You can't really beat having such a young dominent and cheap pitcher like that.
All I ever hear though through the Boston media is names like Felix, Adrian Gonzalez, Holliday, Halladay, Bay, and Lackey.
Anyways I really would be interested to see what happens in the next couple of days to see if any other teams discuss these possible Tigers players in a deal.
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Granderson needs to stay in Detroit. He just looks right in a Tigers home uniform.
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