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Mariners sign Ackley, confirmed by USSM
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First reported by Jonathan Mayo, the Mariners have signed first round pick Dustin Ackley to a major league contract worth $9.5 million. The M’s got the deal done with the #2 pick in the draft just a few minutes before the deadline, which was expected when he was selected.
this is where we agree but disagree... I think teams are stupid for banking so much $ on a "maybe"Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
well HGM, it's fine if we disagree. i see it a little differently then you do. oh well.
he signed via mlbtr
Baseball America's Aaron Fitt says Strasburg signed a Major League deal worth $15.67MM over four years.
Strasburg= 15.67 mil over 4 years
Yep I already reported that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Well it happens every single offseason on the free agent market and in-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
I think it's more stupid to spend $10 mil. on an aging veteran when you're in last place than it is to spend $15 mil. on a guy that dominated college like no other and has the scouting to back it up. Way more money is wasted on veterans than on amateurs.
hey boras where is the other 34.34 million?
Everybody knew that that $50 million was never going to happen, including Boras.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Uh..it was obviously just to get his player more money? You know..like everyone has said for the past 3-4 months..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
ZOMG, BORAS RUINED ANOTHER DRAFT!!!! HE JUST WANTED TO GET HIS MONEY AND DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE PLAYERS!!!
/sarcasm.
Oh I dont disagree on tha tpoint... I just think it would be better spent on CURRENT talent... if ur not wasting it on aging vets and young unprovens... you can keep a guy like carl crawford, josh becket, Holliday, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Srasburg just signed
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
it was a joke guys relaxQuote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Well you're never going to get more of those guys without spending money on them when they're young.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
:p where ya been?Quote:
Originally Posted by bucher34
i reported it like 5 minutes ago... hello.... dont you wait on our every word :p
I could be wrong BUT i think you would be more likely to if ther was some type of slotting systemQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
So how long before we see Ackley or Strasburg in the bigs.
Or you can pay for current talent and get guys like Barry Zito/Vernon Wells/etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever pay based on what they did EVER. If a guy is declining it's stupid to pay him for what he's DONE rather than what you expect him TO DO. Just this last off-season K-Rod was signed despite declining K rates & violent delivery and JJ Putz was traded despite lack of velocity and injury problems. Look how both of those have turned out (K-Rod has been pretty good, but I'm sure they were expecting more).
Point is, Young players will be under control for 6 years and are only going to get better. FAs aren't under control for 6 years and only get worse (This is speaking generally of course).
Possibly, sure, but that's harmful to the player's bottom line. You need to balance both the teams and the players needs and wants, and an open negotiation is the best way to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Exactly. Whenever you sign a player, free agent or amateur, you're paying him for what you EXPECT HIM TO DO IN THE FUTURE. Thus, if you pay him based on what's he done, you're making a giant mistake. Rather, you need to use what's he done to make an educated projection on what you expect him to do in the future and pay him based on THAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
how does Strasburg's four year deal actually work out? arby years etc......how does a four year deal work with him?
It's weird to know the Nats are complaining about the Strasburg money and are perfectly fine with paying Adam Dunn more, for 2 years less and no realistic chance of making the playoffs while he's here.
GREAT USE OF MONEY!
I was just thinking about that...haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
I believe it works the same as David Price. In the final 2 years he goes to regular arb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
[Edit : I believe the deal also means if he starts in the minors in a year he uses up one of his three options]
FWIW, Strasburg is on the Nats 40-man roster right now, so probably this year for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianinvasion
But with these amatures you have even less of an idea then the guys in the bigs. I am not saying make it so say the #1 overall gets 1 million bonus... thats crazy... but have say a cap of 10 million or something like that thats scales its way down... it doenst guarentee the player that but it sets at least a limit
Doubt it. He'll probably be up next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Ackley will probably be ready in 2011. More so because there's no room for him rather than him being ready. His approach at the plate is already big league ready, all he has to do is hitting for power with a wooden bat and getting used to playing CF again.
Rangers fail to sign their 1st round pick, Matt Purke, who looks like will be headed to college.
I wonder being on the 40 man if it will start his arb faster? I know it means he can be called up this year (tho I think they said they would not do that a month or so ago) I see the seattle guy coming up 1st... i don't know why
Why? I mean..the now record is 15.6M for 4 years & 2 extra years of club control. That isn't even that bad. Yeah, you have less of an idea, but that contract is a steal if he projects as well as scouts think. If not, oh well, it won't kill their finances in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Well if he's on the 40-man they're gonna have to call him up.
He most likely won't be up first unless there is an injury/trade or he switches positions. Our OF right now is pretty stacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
It just means he has a guaranteed salary for the first four years of his career. After that, assuming all four are spent entirely in the majors, he'll be arb.-eligible for two more years before being FA-eligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Anyway, one more example here. When you hit on a prospect, no matter what you pay, you're getting A LOT more bang for your buck. Mark Prior signed for around $10 million. In his rookie year, using FanGraphs WAR, he was worth $7.2 million. In his second year, he was worth $21.2 million. In just one and a half years of playing time, the Cubs got performance worth nearly triple their investment. All together for his career, Prior was worth $46.2 million. He got paid $12.8 million plus his draft day signing bonus. Even an eventual bust more than paid off the investment.
Of course, yes, there are guys that bust and wind up providing nothing for an investment, but never an investment more than $10 mil at most, which is chump change for a Major League team. Strasburg could have one good season, blow his arm out, and would've gave the Nationals performance worth his contract.
Amateur contracts are astoundingly cheap overall, and while there's no way I could do a systematic study of this, I'd bet everything I own that drafted players in their first 3 MLB years provide more value for their overall cost than free agents in their first three years after signing a contract provide for their salary.
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Originally Posted by 200tang
Why even bother with that then? Only two players have ever broken that barrier - one paid it off with his performance and then some (see above post) and the other is coming up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
No. Not how it works...at all...Porcello was on the 40 man when he signed in 2007. He didn't come up until this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Forgot we could predict FA's. Oh..wait..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Don't you have to call up everyone on the 40-man come September 1st?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
No. Another fail by MG.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234