Thread for all draftees and their signablity. I heard Ackley is real close. Taking a physical soon so he should sign later.
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Thread for all draftees and their signablity. I heard Ackley is real close. Taking a physical soon so he should sign later.
Ok, any news about Maztek? I heard he isn't close to signing
I would like them to sign Miller, but if they didn't, it would be the worst thing ever....i would take the additional pick next year.
Hmmm, if the M's can't sign Ackely, we could get Strasburg :cool:;):eek:
the big debate....should draftees have automatic signing amounts? i think so.
like first pick gets 5 mil
pick two gets 4 mil
pick three gets 3 mil
and if the team can't afford the pick, they can trade the draft slot.
i believe there shouldn't be a salary cap in baseball...but on draftee players we should....i don't want to see careers ruined or players over paid because of money or not sign....it's retarded....IMO
Kinda like how the NBA does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
the nba does a few things i like:
their playoff set is one of the big one's that i like.
it's not that i think this is ideal
but a variation of it would be nice.
No. Players deserve to be able to get however much the market bears.
no ammy draftees. big leaguers, sure. but you hurt small market teams who rely on the draft to rebuild.
I dont think it should be like the NBA, like a set amount, and I dont think they should get paid like in the NFL. There should be some middle ground to wear if the player doesnt pan out, it doesnt cripple the team.
I agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Any player. If you are able to get X amount, you shouldn't be denied that opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Small market teams are completely able to rely on the draft to rebuild and there's been multiple examples of teams doing so, most notably and recently the Rays. The problem is not that the draft is hard for small market teams. The problem is that a lot of these small market teams are ran by poor front offices, see the Royals and Pirates of the last 15 years, who pour money into veterans rather than spending on the draft, and then cry that the draft is unfair to them, when they easily have enough money to invest into the draft but CHOOSE not to out of a misguided belief that mediocre veterans will help them win.
The most expensive draftee until Strasburg cost $10 mil (Mark Prior). The Pirates in 2007 invested something like $10 mil on acquiring an over-the-hill Matt Morris, after passing up Matt Wieters in the draft for Daniel Moskos, claiming "signability concerns." Clearly, the Pirates had the money to sign Wieters (who signed for roughly $6 mil). It's not the draft's fault that the Pirates sunk that money into Matt Morris.
Thats true, I dont really see a big problem with the baseball draft.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=9400 (subscriber only)
Quote:
There are many misconceptions here, some of which I’ve covered in the past. The primary one is that the draft exists as a mechanism to enhance competitive balance. Even a cursory look at how it came about puts the lie to that; baseball had lousy competitive balance for most of the 20th century, and no one in the game cared. It wasn’t until competition via signing bonuses became more of a key component in the acquisition of amateur players that the leagues got together and came up with a system for ending that competition. Any effects on competitive balance were secondary, and arguably unintended. The draft was, and still is, designed only to take away the rights of amateur players to have teams compete for their services.
Couple that with the extended rights that teams have to the players they draft, from six to 11 years, depending on how much time the player spends in the minors and how their major league career is shaped, something over which the player has little control. As a result of those two factors, the time from draft day to the signing deadline is the only time for perhaps a decade—and perhaps ever—that a player has any kind of negotiating leverage. Once he signs with a team, that team owns him until he accumulates six full seasons of major league service time. How can you possibly blame a person for wanting to maximize his return on the only negotiation in which he’ll have any leverage for at least six years, possibly an entire decade, and in many cases ever?
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In 2004, Prior’s salary was $2.1 million, and while we didn’t know it then, his career was over. Even though Prior had been one of the very best pitchers in baseball in his first two seasons in the majors, he didn’t get paid like it, because the rules aren’t set up that way. You only get paid if you’re very good at the point where you can take your services to the open market. Do it before then, and you have no leverage. The various players who make the point that amateurs haven’t proven anything yet neglect to consider that even if the amateur plays well as a professional, there’s no guarantee at all of a big payday. They think you get paid for performance, and while that’s partially true, what you actually get paid for is being able to negotiate with multiple teams. Felix Hernandez is making $3.8 million this season; teammate Miguel Batista makes $9 million. You want to argue that performance is the determining factor in salaries?
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So it doesn’t really matter what Ryan Zimmerman thinks. It doesn’t matter what your local columnist, making $63,000 a year without a fraction of the talent that Stephen Strasburg has, thinks. It doesn’t matter what talk-radio hosts, who have the same grasp of sports economics that I do of SQL, think. What matters is that the system is set up to deprive amateur players of any leverage, and when one stands up to that system and tries to make the best possible deal for himself, he shouldn’t be excoriated, or labeled as greedy, or derided as "unproven." He should be regarded as a man negotiating a contract, making the same choices we all make, taking the risks involved in going right up to a deadline without blinking. It’s his livelihood and his talent on the line, and no one gets to decide for him what "enough" is, not when there may never be any chance to get back to the table and ask for more.
The two guys i know who got drafted both haven't signed :(...i guess there waiting to be drafted higher next year(one is HS and one is 1st year college)
Only a handful of 1st rounders have signed. If no more of them do, it looks incredibly bad on the sport and especially on the money-grubbing agents
Tampa Bay...
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According to Marc Lancaster of the St. Petersburg Times, the Rays "do not expect to sign" first-round pick LeVon Washington.
Washington was selected 30th overall in this year's draft. The two sides have engaged in heavy negotiations, but it appears neither is willing to budge. The Rays have until midnight to strike a deal with the speedy outfielder.
Aug. 17 - 1:29 pm et
Source: Marc Lancaster on Twitter
Oh the Yankees..
Quote:
Yankees agreed to terms with first-round pick OF Slade Heathcott.
Heathcott was selected 29th overall in June's first-year player draft. The 18-year-old right fielder received a bonus of $2.2 million, over $1 million more than MLB's reccomendation for his draft slot.
Aug. 17 - 11:44 am et
From looking around it seems that the Rockies mood is that they won't sign Maztek
(And you guys misspelled 'Baseball' for the tag of this thread)
Maztek is always a beast in Mogul
No this is the Major League Basebal draft we are talking about not the Major League Baseball one
:D
(to rockies)
Most of the remaining guys WILL sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Also, the players have the final say, not the agents.
T-Minus 5 hours till the deadline
I like the deal Miller got.
question: are these bonus's pro rated throughout a few years? or paid up front? I would assume they are paid over time generally.
Matz better sign
From what I am reading I am putting Maztek's chance of not signing at 85%
Code:Signing statuses
As the clock ticks toward the First-Year Player Draft signing deadline, 12 first-round picks have not yet signed.
No. CLUB PLAYER POS SIGNED
1 WAS S. Strasburg RHP NO
2 SEA Dustin Ackley OF NO
3 SD Donavan Tate OF NO
4 PIT Tony Sanchez C YES
5 BAL Matt Hobgood RHP YES
6 SF Zack Wheeler RHP NO
7 ATL Mike Minor LHP YES
8 CIN Mike Leake RHP YES
9 DET Jacob Turner RHP NO
10 WAS Drew Storen RHP YES
11 COL Tyler Matzek LHP NO
12 KC *Aaron Crow RHP NO
13 OAK Grant Green SS NO
14 TEX Matt Purke LHP NO
15 CLE Alex White RHP NO
16 ARI B. Borchering 3B YES
17 ARI A.J. Pollock OF YES
18 FLA Chad James LHP YES
19 STL Shelby Miller RHP YES
20 TOR Chad Jenkins RHP YES
21 HOU Jiovanni Mier SS YES
22 MIN Kyle Gibson RHP NO
23 CWS Jared Mitchell OF YES
24 LAA Randal Grichuk OF YES
25 LAA Mike Trout OF YES
26 MIL Eric Arnett RHP YES
27 SEA Nick Franklin SS YES
28 BOS Reymond Fuentes OF YES
29 NYY Slade Heathcott OF YES
30 TB L. Washington 2B NO
31 CHC Brett Jackson OF YES
32 COL Tim Wheeler OF YES
* Aaron Crow is not bound to the deadline as he no longer has college eligibility.
aaron crow is the next matt harrington
4 hours left
Any news on Matz?
He didn't want to get injured so he didn't sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
ZingQuote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Nick Piecoro of The Arizona Republic reports that the Diamondbacks have made a new offer to seventh round pick Matt Helm, but it will only be the table for another two hours. Piecoro notes that Helm said he was looking for third round money last month.
How much do these guys get in signing bonuses??? Like not 1st round guys but like 5th and 6th rounds.
1 million+Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sox Fan 734
5th and 6th round guys usually don't get that. Sometimes they do, but those tend to be the guys that dropped that low BECAUSE of their pre-draft demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
4th round slot money is between 300,000 and 200,000 and 5th round is 200,000 to 155,000 and so on. This year it looks like more and more teams are going over slot to get their picks to sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sox Fan 734