Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
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Originally Posted by
Jeffy25
it keeps it fair FOR the players. how would you like to be the guy getting drafted 5th one year, and getting 4 million, when the guy drafted 8th getting 7 million? just because your agent didn't get it for you....THAT isn't fair.
Players aren't necessarily drafted in talent order. There's absolutely no reason that someone "deserves" more just because they got drafted higher. It is not fair for the players to remove their leverage and ability to get their fair market value.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
That isn't why you do it....this isn't about making owners more rich, this is about keeping the game fair and balanced for all athletes that go through the ammy draft. Who cares how much the owners make? ammy draft players are basically being given a bonus just for being drafted and going into a minor league system...it has absolutely nothing about the owners....at least not my reasoning for controlling this.
That's the EFFECT. All it will do is result in more money for the owners' pockets and less rights and money for the players.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Free market value? these guys aren't on the free market....they were drafted to join a big league team in order to help that team win games one day. these aren't free agent ball players and they aren't on the free market.
That's the point. This is the only period they're likely to have in their career with ANY leverage in negotiations. A cap would DENY them of that. Players deserve to get the most that they can get, whether they're amateur players or players with 6 years of service time.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
deprived? what i am proposing certainly would not be depriving a high school or recent college graduate from making a good deal of money.
It would deprive them of leverage and potentially making as much as they COULD make.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
If he does well, then after his arbitration years, he has the ability to negotiate for a better contract one day, and make a good deal of money. the way it is now.....the only thing this free market money does is allow greed to decide where these kids go and how quickly they could develop....baseball is a business, but it's a game first.
I suggest reading the partial quotes from the article I linked to earlier. Which, you apparently did, but I guess still don't get. Those are huge IFS. This is likely the only time the player has ANY leverage. A cap denies that.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
never said anything like this, don't see where you are coming up with it. don't twist my words to make me sound like a jackass.
Referring to the healthcare debate. Greed is apparently good for giant insurance companies whose interests are directly opposed to the interests of the people they serve, but bad for people who have only one real shot at having any negotiating leverage.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
no where did i ever make a very anti-free market stance.
An amateur draft, itself, is anti-free market. Further restrictions on that is even MORE anti-free market.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
and putting them on a baseball field and getting rid of potential greed DOES help them. this doesn't remove their leverage...they need to come out and do their time in the minors. IF they perform, and make it the big leagues and do their job, then they can pursue the income they feel they deserve.
they will have leverage one day, IF they perform.
Again, that article. There are many things out of the players control that can prevent them from ever reaching that gigantic IF. For most players, this IS their only shot at leverage in negotiations.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I still believe players should be paid based on performance rather then prior to their performance. Either a commission rate, or a pay per position rate....they should be able to make what they do....but i don't agree with the pay in advance deal that they currently do.
we wouldn't have Wells or Silvia's gross contracts.
So, uh, how exactly would that work? Wells/Silva got paid "for their performance." It's just that teams failed to correctly evaluate their FUTURE performance and thus they are now being overpaid. No idea what this has to do with amateur salary caps.
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Originally Posted by
TheNamelessPoet
HGM... they have no value... they have not thrown 1 ML pitch!
Absolutely not true. Future value is value.
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Originally Posted by
Jeffy25
and the system really is fine, but i hate seeing a player not get drafted because of money, or end up having to play independent ball because of greed.
That's his choice.
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Originally Posted by
metsguy234
Top 2 draft picks don't sign?
Don't be so quick to judge. The paperwork could very easily have gotten in just before midnight and just not be reported yet. It happens every year.
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
mariners and rockies get their men.
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
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Originally Posted by
metsguy234
Top 2 draft picks don't sign?
That's an...
EPIC FAIL
Wrong again!
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
hurry up... i want to go to bed
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
Nats got Strasburg 15.67 mil
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
Mariners sign Ackley, confirmed by USSM
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First reported by Jonathan Mayo, the Mariners have signed first round pick Dustin Ackley to a major league contract worth $9.5 million. The M’s got the deal done with the #2 pick in the draft just a few minutes before the deadline, which was expected when he was selected.
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
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Originally Posted by
HoustonGM
Absolutely not true. Future value is value.
this is where we agree but disagree... I think teams are stupid for banking so much $ on a "maybe"
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well HGM, it's fine if we disagree. i see it a little differently then you do. oh well.
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he signed via mlbtr
Baseball America's Aaron Fitt says Strasburg signed a Major League deal worth $15.67MM over four years.
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
Strasburg= 15.67 mil over 4 years
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Originally Posted by
TheNamelessPoet
he signed via mlbtr
Yep I already reported that.
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
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Originally Posted by
TheNamelessPoet
this is where we agree but disagree... I think teams are stupid for banking so much $ on a "maybe"
Well it happens every single offseason on the free agent market and in-season.
I think it's more stupid to spend $10 mil. on an aging veteran when you're in last place than it is to spend $15 mil. on a guy that dominated college like no other and has the scouting to back it up. Way more money is wasted on veterans than on amateurs.
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
hey boras where is the other 34.34 million?
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
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Originally Posted by
TheNamelessPoet
hey boras where is the other 34.34 million?
Everybody knew that that $50 million was never going to happen, including Boras.
Re: 2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread
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Originally Posted by
TheNamelessPoet
hey boras where is the other 34.34 million?
Uh..it was obviously just to get his player more money? You know..like everyone has said for the past 3-4 months..
