i'd buy this, except for the fact his elbow wasn't hit :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
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i'd buy this, except for the fact his elbow wasn't hit :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
having spent 17 years of my youth in new jersey . . . yes !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
is or is not his elbow close to the plate every at bat ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
in which case every pitcher has to be thinking
i gotta brush this guy back.
stay in the batters box, you dont get brushed back...
I don't really think Porcello's control is that great, just because he hasn't hit a lot of guys. It's not like it's hard to imagine that a 20 year old would have a 2-seamer slip out of his hand mid-delivery.
It's not hard to imagine, no.
Hitting the same guy twice, while not hitting any of the other 200 guys you face, is odd.
Hitting him after your slugger was hit the previous inning is suspicious.
Hitting him after going high and tight to V-Mart makes it a bit more obvious.
Finally, hitting him the second night in a row pushes it over the edge, I feel. That's a whole lot of personal coincidence to swallow.
the devils advocate question is then,
why would he do it intentionally if it would appear so obviously intentional ?
Protect his hitters? Get back at the other team for plunking Cabrera?
He's 20 and trying to fit in with a big league club for the first year. He hasn't really been involved with stuff at this level, so maybe was not expecting any repercussions.
that IS a reasonable answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
i still disagree.
its refreshing to disagree with someone without all the rancor. :cool:
I still think that, if it were intentional, someone on the Tigers would've known whats up. No one on the team looked like they at all expected it to happen. I doubt he would just decide randomly to plunk Youkilis to send a message without telling anyone.
Looked like everyone but Raburn knew lol
How so? The catcher Avila was not in position to block the charge in case it happened. If he had known it was coming, I'm sure he would've been in position to get in the way. And if the catcher doesn't know, I doubt anyone else did.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianinvasion
And upon looking at the video that was posted in this thread, I don't know why you think anyone else knew it was coming. Inge and Santiago were pretty late getting there too.
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Originally Posted by haveacigar
exactly...espn broke this down this morning. The 3B and SS were ultra quick to react as if they knew it was coming. The 1B and catcher were slow.Quote:
Looked like everyone but Raburn knew lol
It's okay. I feel comfortable, I put together some good points and a decent argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
I can see the other side - Youk lost his temper, and his stance is odd. Plus if I were a tiger fan, I'd be upset that I lost what should have been a winnable game (and that I got Lowell hitting some homers instead of Youk walking, argh).
But if we're going to disagree, let's at least call each other ignorant or something. Else this whole exchange will just look civil and silly on a board like this. :D
Inge and Santiago both are guys with excellent reflexes, so, naturally, they would be the first to react when they see someone wildly charging their pitcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
The catcher reacting slow is evidence, to me, that it wasn't planned. Usually, when this sort of thing is planned, the catcher knows and as soon as the pitch comes is ready to get up and get between the batter and pitcher.
"Jane , you ignorant slut ..." :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar