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Surely, you're not equating charging the mound with jawing at a pitcher from the base line (which is what I guess you must be talking about when you say "acts like a *****"), on the way to first base.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
I suppose you'd rather he smile and thank the pitcher.
i don't have any problem with ANYONE b!tching about being hit with a 90+ mph fastball. I"d b!tch everytime. intentional or not, the pitchers should have control when throwing something that could be deadly. its part of the game and the hitter should accept it, yelling is fine..and go to first. there are times however when a player needs to take it into his own hands and charge. i don't think last night was one of those. As i've stated though, hit me near the head or go near it..intentional or not..and i think charging is warrented.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
pitchers can end careers or seriously cripple players and give them long DL stints. Heck wrist and hand injuries alone from beanings are very serious. In the AL...they don't face consequences. They should have control of the weapon they throw....i'm not faulting anyone after being beaned by that for b!tching.
Yeah, 'cause batters never got angry when they got hit by pitches, until that rabble-rouser Youkilis came along.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
but if it was so clearly not intentional, they look like fools saying it was, conflict or not...heck there's plenty of conflict anyway, why embellish clear falsehoods?Quote:
Radio analysts thrive on story and conflict.
Plus, if I recall correctly, you're from New England.
and yes, i'm from new england...but mike & mike on espn is nationally syndicated...baseball tonight is nationally syndicated...and even YES network and WFAN morning analysts said they thought it was intentional.
MLB Network said the opposite, FWIW.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Im of the opinion that if youre gonna stick youre arm dang near over the strike zone you shouldnt whine like a biach when you get hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
This includes taking a step at the pitcher while cussing him , throwing your crap around etc.
its part of the game.
you crowd the plate, you get brushed back.
and then usually your pitcher brushes back someone on the other side.
and there-in lies the problem.
Baseball now has to police brushbacks as a result of brawls .
Take your base, stfu, and the situation would police itself.
one exception ... headhunting.
I don't know if I agree with that point, specifically, but what you said in this post is pretty much (in part) what I said (or was trying to) earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
And Youk's as guilty of it as anyone.
But, there's
- getting hit on the hand, elbow, arm because you're too far over the plate.
- getting brushed back.
- getting blatantly thumped.
(Getting knocked down is probably a "final warning" lying somewhere between those last two, no?) ;)
The problem is, while I believe these are separate and distinct "animals", figuring out which is which can often involve a lot of "mind reading". And while that's fine for the morning-drive radio talk-shows, and you and I in this forum, I don't think it's a practice the MLB should be attempting.
I'll tell you what, MeetDaMets (and I have no archive footage of at-bats to back this up; I'm just spit-balling here), the first few times some batters get hit on the hand or elbow, and the umpire looks to his right and yells "strike one", instead of pointing to first base, the problem will be on its way to a resolution. Word will get around fast. :)
Agree its hard to mind read and determine intent.
i dont think Youk is over the zone but rather hes so dang close that anything
at all off the plate inside is always going to come close to hitting him.
(similiarly - it would be a bit silly for me to complain about inconsiderate crazy drivers if im standing in the left lane of a highway)
I think it more a matter of enforcing / retooling the batters box.
Actually enforcing "batter must attempt to get out of the way" would help too.
I dont think keeping your feet in side the box whie sticking your armorplated elbow "on the black" is within the spirit of the rule.
if the rule needs to be reworded to account for such silliness then so be it.
if MLB needs to use something other then chalk to prevent erasings to be able to enforce it so be it.
imo
batters intereference should = youre out
just like catchers intereference = take your base.
also note,
the pitcher doesnt get to wipe away the pitching rubber and stand wherever he pleases.
how long is the batters box inside line fully visible on the average ?
2 pitches into the leadoff hitter ?
I seem to remember Youkilis having a history of getting into dustups, arguments, and altercations quite a few times in his brief career. That may be an undeserved reputation, but I doubt it.
Either way, I think Youkilis knew what he was doing. He knew he could get Porcello out of the game by charging him, he did, Porcello gets ejected, Red Sox get to face long-relief bum Chris Lambert for 5 innings and win. Youkilis hesitated for a good 2 seconds or so before deciding to run after Porcello, that's what makes me think it was calculated.
And as I posted, Porcello has hit exactly 2 batters in his career, both Youkillis. that's remarkable control, and a heck of a coincidental loss of control, given Youk being hit the night before and pitching high and tight to V-Mart.
I guess we're all fans, so some bias is just going to remain part of this.
that is an interesting point,Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
maybe
youk is the only guy porcello's faced whose elbow is .3 nanomicrons off the inside of the plate ? ;)
agree :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
That's what I seem remember when I made my "hardly one time" comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
nope, Porcello pitched against the Yanks and didn't hit Jeter or any of their plate-hounders.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
Yet another aspect - Porcello was brought up in NY. In his only start against the Yankes, he gave up 6 runs for the loss.
Perhaps...he is a plant for the Yanks? Trying to Injure the Sox big bat, and throwing the game when facing his home club? :D
nj!Quote:
Originally Posted by alloutwar
LOL - oops
Isn't NJ just the parts of NY that no one wants to live in?
:D