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Youkilis crowds the plate. He went after someone on the mets , santana i think, for hitting him on the arm on a pitch that was all of about 2 inches inside.
In the old days this dude would have got beaned/brushed-back at least daily.
and his rear end would always have been the dirtiest part of his uniform.
take it like a man or go home .:rolleyes:
what about the J-J bellyroll yuke did to end up back on top of Porcello using "the other guys momentum? He was clearly in the advantage once that occurred, and had he not have been ripped off he would have won the encounter as he had Porcello in a very vulnerable position. LOL...they both are J-J artists if you want to play that way. ;):pQuote:
Originally Posted by Rongar
Living up here in Boston and not being a Boston sports fan is hell because the analysts and radio guys are the most biased people on earth. Most other places, the sports guys will criticise their teams, but not these days in Boston.
Everyday on WEEI you have the radio hosts and callers saying how Big Papi is innocent and he's a victim of circumstance and they should believe him. But these are the same people who chastized Bonds and the rest of the steroid "denyers" of the past.
And NESN was ridiculous last night. Saying how Porcello wasn't "cool enough" to pull something like that yet. Porcello? That bald headed bearded goon Youkilis was the one that caused it all.
It's really annoying. And anyone that says it's intentional shouldn't be in sports analysis because they're not really analyzing what went on, they're just giving their own opinion. Porcello's natural reactions show that he didn't mean to hit him. And then he gets tossed and the Red Sox beat the Tigers' bullpen. What a shock! The umpires and MLB helping the Sox to a win.
If they win another title this year I'll die a little inside.
Porcello was on top after the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOiUV3xNlOIQuote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Pause it at the 11 and 15 second marks pal, please feel free to point out when Youk ended up on top.
I'm more inclined to just run away from the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Of course they do. Makes for a better story.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Thanks for that link. Porcello landed on top and for as much as we can see, stayed on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
The guy is, like, fourth in the league in getting thumped. He takes his lumps and trots down to first, without incident, every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh123123123
The one time he decides he's tired of the bullsh!t, when this exact issue has been at a low boil over the past several games, already, everyone's all over him. Crazy.
First off, I don't think pitchers should be throwing at hitters, anyway. It's bone-headed. But, if the old-school technique of pitchers "taking back the inside part of the plate" is going to go on, and the new-school technique of batters (armored from head to toe) hanging way out across the plate is going to go on, there are going to be hit batsmen. It's unavoidable.
The problem is that the league (and their duly designated umpiring officials) upsets the balance by handing out "warnings".
So, as long as a pitcher gets in the first plunk and draws a warning, the opposition can't "protect" their hitters by retaliating, or they face getting tossed. So, instead of the matter being over and done with, in the next inning, instead, it sits in the bank and collects interest while the other side bides its time before it can retaliate, or just does nothing at all.
So a young punk like, say, a Joba Chamberlain (who apparently fancies himself having the cache of some salty old vet like a Walter Johnson or a Gibson or a Drysdale, while forgetting he's barely got two years of major league service time) is allowed to run rough-shod, throwing at batters (Youk being one of his favorite targets, BTW) without ever getting knocked down a couple of pegs by anyone.
So,
- the league can't/won't protect batters directly.
- when the league does get involved, it's only to ensure that a batter's own pitching staff also can't protect them.
- in the case of a young up-and-comer like Joba, you could argue that his own team's veterans should probably be telling him to knock off the cr@p.
Then, when a batter like Youkilis gets beaned (yet again) and finally blows a gasket, everyone sits around, scratching their heads, looking at one another aghast, all trying to figure out what the hell Youk's problem is...?!
:confused::eek::rolleyes:
This is hardly "the one time."Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
I love Youkilis, and I've been a Boston fan since birth. Born into it.
I can't really excuse this. He's a good player, and I'd stick up for him. The only factors that matter here are
1) youk was just hit last night, by the Tigers
2) Martinez was just pitched high and inside
3) Porcello has great control, at least in not hitting batters. This is his second HBP this year - and the second time he's hit Youk. Maybe there's some bad blood - but hitting the same batter twice, and thats the ONLY time you ever lose control? Anyone could be skeptical of that.
I don't condone the way Youk acted - throwing the helmet and all, it was a bit much - but I can see how it would all come together and seem (to him) like he needed to defend himself (although, he didn't seem to all that well). Maybe it was also an effort to spark the team.
Not really iron-clad defensible, but when you look at those three facts, you have to give the guy some room.
If he's charged the mound before, you'll need to point out the incidents to me. If that is the case, then my memory's failing me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
that was a terrible angle....or the replays i saw yesterday were terrible. the ones i saw yesterday did show a better view of the two after the melee and even in the one you provided yes, Porcellos legs are still on yuke but yukes upper half is while not directly atop porcello, is in much better position and somewhat on top. He's driving porcellos upper body into the ground for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
i'm just amazed how different the opinions of intent are...most, well all of the radio analysts i've heard today and last night say it was clearly intentional and almost all in here feel otherwise. very interesting.
The one time?
Youk acts like a ***** a lot when the balls thrown at him.
Hell, he did it in the opening game of the series when Jackson hit him throws his **** down and takes a long trot. But of course he doesn't charge Jackson, he waits until a 20 year old rookie is on the mound.
I vaguely remember one or two times, but I don't remember specifics so, unfortunately, I can't point you to them...and I certainly could be wrong....but it's definitely not the first time he's "got into it" with a pitcher (not just physically).Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
Charging the mound isn't the only sign somebody's angry.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
As far as I can tell, Porcello's leg looks like it's on top of Youk's head, certainly not Youk on top....but, of course, that's once there's a mob surrounding them so it's very hard to tell. Porcello, without a doubt, landed on Youk, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Radio analysts thrive on story and conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Plus, if I recall correctly, you're from New England.