It's going to take a lot more than that to land Halladay...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
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It's going to take a lot more than that to land Halladay...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
yep, he's guaranteed pretty much to be a Type A so you would have to start with 2 first round talents and then add to that. it's gonna be like a Texas/Atlanta - Teixeira deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Prolly more than the Bedard deal. Someone is about to get raped.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Bedard honestly isn't gonna bring much back because of his DL problems. Probably a bit more than Washburn, but we won't get what his talent is worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianinvasion
As per Joe Strauss' twitter (a Cards reporter)
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Asked about the price tag for Halladay, a club source said: "Give Ricciardi all our minor-league rosters and let him circle any 5 names."
I was talking about the first Bedard trade that brought him to Seattle. That would be a good benchmark for the Jays.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Honestly, halladay would be worth it, pick 5 names riccardi. Screw it. Halladay surely won't get hurt ;) we need another big pitcher contracted like we need another hole in the head. But he is probably worth it.
I said todd and wallace bc of mlbtraderumors.com
I really wouldn't want to give up Halman, Aumont, Moore, Truinfel and a PTBNL (which would be Ackley a year after he signs) to get Halladay. But if you Cards fans feel that way, go ahead and destroy your farm.
Wallace, todd, jay, kozma, and possibly miller, for an almost gaurenteed 20 game winner for our team would be well worth it. The only one I would be partial to is wallace, he seems to be a solid 300 hitter when he gets to the majors.
You're only getting hm for a year and 2 months though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
But we could either resign him, or get 2 more top picks. Chances r, we would keep him, moz would never do it, I doubt I would either, but I would consider
I'd laugh my ass off if he resigned with Toronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
That has happened, traded at the deadline, then resigned w old team, can't think of any specifics
That would be awesome. Its the classiest thing you can do for an organisation, allow the team to bring some talent in for you, and then go back and resign. Kieth Tkachuk and Bill Guerin have both done it with the Blues I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianinvasion
The Jays would come out great on that. They would net 4 prospects on that (5 from Cards - 1 from losing pick) for renting Halladay for 1.5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Rickey Henderson. Traded to the Blue Jays in 1993 midseason, resigned with Oakland after the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
those were the good ol days, even though we sucked with Ruben "I swing at everything" Sierra.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Rockies pursuing Freddy Sanchez.
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
Clint Barmes and Sanchez have similar OPS' and XBH and the one thing the Rockies don't need is another bat. Barmes has been decent this season batting near .300 and while Sanchez would be sort of an upgrade the Pirates like Eric Young, Jr. who has been running wild in the minors. It'd be a lot to give up for similar production.
No thanks.
what do you do though when the Blue Jays say they want Rasmus in any deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I for one think someone should overpay for Halladay though, specifically in the NL. There are a ton of teams he'd make instantly a contender. In the AL...i really don't see either the Sawx or the Yanks going for him. Maybe Texas? I think if he goes anywhere its to the NL.
I'd love to see Halladay in the NL. He'd carve it up more than Sabathia did last year.
I see him going to the NL for the mere reason Riccardi never wants to see him.
In the division is out of the question no matter the depth of the Sox and Yanks farm system. I also think the Sox and Yanks are happy with their rotations.
Phillies are big contenders...but to be honest, I don't see it happening...
i honestly don't see him being traded....and i also believe Wallace, Rasmus, Pujols, Molina, and Wainer are our untoucables...but for a player like Halladay, maybe one of those, not multiple players, but maybe one of those could be removed.....i would think Wallace would be the easist to aquire, maybe wainwright
I don't think you really have the right to say any prospect and just about any major leaguer is untouchable when you're dealing for the best pitcher in baseball.
this is very true. If I was Moz i would aggressively shop this solution. However, offense is the major need for the Cardinals.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
ESPN is saying that both Halladay and (Vernon) Wells could be traded... in the same trade, as a package deal.
Then, less prospects could be involved and bad contracts might come the other way back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
Wow. That would certainly reduce what they got in returnQuote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
Vernon Wells, $18,000,000/yr (2008-14), 1.2 WAR in first year of contract, -0.8 WAR so far in his second year.
Pro: Probably giving up less top prospects to land both players in a deal, and of course, still getting Halladay.
Con: Being stuck with the contracts, especially Vernon Wells.
What teams, if any, would have the financial flexibility and roster space to accommodate both, if the "rumor" happens to be true? "You want Halladay? You're taking Vernon Wells too."
Luddy, todd and samuel for halladay and wells?
Highly doubt that would do it, even taking on Vernon Wells' contract.
Pelfrey, Mejia, Havens, Delgado for Halladay and Wells
I doubt anyone except the Yanks have to ability to take a deal like that. Unless Wells turns his career around, it would seem to me that long term negative value (both performance and contract) would more than offset any gain from Halladay for 1.5 years. Unless I was an owner that could afford to throw away $18m a year through 2014, they would have to give me prospects to take that deal.
Keep Pelfrey, Mejia, and Havens and throw in Luis Castillo, J.J. Putz, and a subscription to ESPN Insider, and you sir have a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
The team could always send back a bad contract that expires soon and I'm sure Toronto will take on some of the salary. So with the Cards, send a guy like Glaus or Loshe back. For the Phils, send Moyer and Romero or something (not many bad contracts).Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
Ludwick is not as good as you think he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Silva, Batista, Johjima, Halman, Clement, Aumont for Wells and Halladay :D
j/k...I would never want Wells.
What makes u think I think he is good? He is cheap and a decently valauable outfielder. No gm would ever take the deal I proposed, I'm fully aware. But I don't think luddy gave birth to our lord and saviorQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
So if the cards packaged something like, duncan, lohse, todd, jay, and ankiel for halladay and wells. What would be the benefit for toronto unloading the greatest pitcher in baseball? Other then 30 mil a year in contracts, which would be made up slightly with someone like lohse, or glaus. I don't see the cardinals taking on that much payroll for that long, especially if they plan to keep albert and go after another bat, like holliday's.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. I doubt he'd waive it to go back to the American League (in the AL East) and get hammered. Even if you picked up Wells' contract (or most of it), they'd probably want at least two top prospects for Halladay still. You can't offer them garbage.