You got that right. I still miss him playing 3B for the Cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
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You got that right. I still miss him playing 3B for the Cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
"We had some opportunities to do some things"
-Omar Failnaya
On my phone, but I assume u guys saw, peavy approved the deal to chicago
Just woke up. Looks like the Mariners got 2 good under control LHP for one good LHP with half a year left on his contract.
Enjoy SafeCo while you're here French & Robles.
What an abysmal day to be a Jays fan. You keep Halladay: implication: We're going to contend next year. You trade Rolen: implication: We're not going to contend next year and should have shed a bunch of other veteran assets including Halladay. Wtf? No seriously: What the effin eff? Who's running this freakin' clown show? What a freakin' mess!
As for the "haul": Edwin "the butcher" Encarnacion (below replacement level at 3B this year), a career long RP in the minor leagues who turns 27 in 4 days (Roenicke) and a guy who's mostly been a RP so far in the minor leagues, who at least is still only 22 (Stewart). Colour me extremely unimpressed. This is gonna suck for the groundballers on the staff: I'm sure Halladay will welcome Encarnacion with open arms...not! On top of that his bat has been awful this year. Please fire JP now and get the new president in here soon and let him hire a new GM in the offseason. In the meantime let Tony LaCava and Alex Anthopoulos run the show as co-interim GMs. This is pathetic.
EDIT: It gets better: the Jays are picking up some of Rolen's salary for this year in return for this bevvy of talent. :mad: Apparently he asked to be traded for "personal reasons", but that doesn't mean you just give the guy away. :(
I've heard that Rolen asked for a trade. And when you starting thinking "Good on you" (this is how I feel) about players who ask for a trade, you know there must be something wrong with the organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
I'm dissapointed about the half-assed effort. You can't cut payroll and compete. You either had to keep everyone and add a bit of payroll next year and go for it, or strip it down and rebuild.
We'll see yet another mediocre Blue Jays ballclub next year. Whoopie!
Yes he asked for a trade, but the Jays will also pay part of his salary this year in return for these jokers. Ugh! ugh! ugh! If the smilie that pounds its head against a brick wall existed here, I would post it repeatedly, but my ughs of exasperation will have to do instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
I like Encarnacion going forward.... just not as a third basemen.
Uh, at what position then? His highest OPS+ was a pedestrian 108, which does not profile well at the corners (IF or OF) or DH and his glove is so awful, nobody would dare put him at one of the up the middle positions. This trade has no redeeming features except possibly for Stewart, and I'm not about to get excited about a guy who's mostly been a reliever in the minors.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Corner outfield is probably where he belongs defensively. I think his bat is solid, better than he's been so far and definitely better than he's been so far this year. He's hit .276/.375/.526 since coming back from injury.
Three problems with corner outfield as his position: Lind, Rios, and Snider. Only Jose Bautista and John McDonald are left to play 3B. Guess where Encarnacion (or E5 as he's affectionately known by Reds fans) is gonna play?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Oh, I know he's GOING to play third base for the Jays. As I said, I like him going forward, but NOT as a third basemen...and considering the Jays don't have anywhere else to put him except maybe first if they move Overbay, it's not the guy I would've targeted for Rolen.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
think the peavy and washburn deals were made after one organization saw what the other was doing?
i'm happy i'm not a blue jays fan
•Via Twitter, Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Padres almost dealt Heath Bell and Adrian Gonzalez to the Dodgers for James Loney, Russell Martin, Blake DeWitt, James McDonald and Ivan Dejesus. Wow.
I like the trade for both, u cut salary with Rolen and you get a reliever that throws 98-99 gas (Roenicke). And you get another guy in Stewart that has pitched extremely well (1.67 ERA). You get leadership which Rolen provides for Cincy.
I know it must be hurtful for Jays fans, but there isnt much you guys can do in your situation. You are not gonna win with Rolen, so you might as well sell him.
would be a good deal for san diego...i know adrian is awesome...but wow, big deal for within a division had that happened.
Jeff Passan on Yahoo, while lambasting Ricciardi for not dealing Halladay tossed in this gem :
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Any Pittsburgh Pirate who didn’t get traded should be embarrassed
oh thats great gryfyn lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Halladay should have been dealt...riccardi needed to move him while he was worth something to them...they won't be competing within the remainder of his contract.
Pirates, well they were unloaded, what is their team payroll now?
for whatever it's worth, my dad is friends with the owner of the pirates....says he is a real *******.
Sure, I accept that we won't win with Rolen and I think that he should've been dealt, but why the hell didn't we deal Scutaro, Barajas, Overbay, Scutaro, Downs, Frasor and Halladay? We're not going to win with them either. You can't have it both ways. He should've either had a firesale or held on to everybody with the intention to make the neccesary additions for next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Than why is he friends with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
i shouldn't say friend.....work associate.Quote:
Originally Posted by skudplayr
the guy that owns the pirates also has some ownership in the pittsuburgh paper.
That would have been ripping off the Pads, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing6
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
It's true. DeWitt's a utility man. Loney's nothing special at all. Martin would be a nice pickup but is looking awfully generic this year. McDonald and DeJesus are decent prospects but again, nothing more than complementary pieces at best.
I don't know who the hell would catch for the Dodgers if that happened, but there's the obvious improvement by replacing mcdonald with bell and loney with gonzalez is more than worth giving up Ivan DeJesus and Blake DeWitt.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
Heath Bell would've been a set up man for them. Who is McDonald?Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
Seven dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Umm, the dude who is pitching in the bullpen who would be replaced by Heath Bell.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
So what if Heath Bell would've been a set up man for them? Doesn't change the fact that he's one of the best relievers in the league and would be pitching high leverage innings.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
As for McDonald,
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Originally Posted by ewing6
So he's their set-up man?Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
No, he's relieving for them right now, young guy, possibly a starter in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
New set-up man is Sherrill I assume
If Torre uses them right, he'll split 8th and 9th inning duties with Broxton, depending on when the lefties are up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mets57
And if Torre uses them like he typically uses relievers, one or both of them will have their arms fall off by the end of the playoffs. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
I would do (and do in Mogul) the very same. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
I've has Scott Downs make over 100 appearences and he missed a month.
Yes, upon further review, I have decided this was a good move for the Jays. However it is offset quite a lot by the fact that no other moves were made in the direction of selling. The Jays should have been in hardcore selling mode considering the fact that their farm system is easily the worst in the division and the only team that they can probably outspend in payroll on a consistent basis in the East is Tampa. In other words whenever Baltimore finally launches, and it will happen, this team is staring at last place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
J.P. has his strengths, but when it comes to being decisive at the deadline he is woefully inadequate. Buyer? seller? buyer? seller? I don't know...Oops, there goes another deadline. Given the fact that this team has played zero meaningful games from August onward in his eight seasons, he probably should have been a seller at each and every one.
He shot himself (and worse the organization, which will be devastated by his lack of deadline action over the years) in the foot by demanding players off the major league roster, or players in AAA who were major league ready in return for Roy Halladay. I guess being so far removed from all those playoff drives with the A's, he has forgotten that no team in contention gives up frickin' major league/AAA major league ready talent at the deadline because that would be addition by subtraction, and when you're shootin' for the moon you beef up the 25 man roster at the expense of prospects from your minor league system. You certainly don't subtract talent and you don't move sideways by addition through subtraction.
I'm not sure who to be pi**ed off with here: Rogers? Paul Beeston? J.P.? All of them? This is one of the biggest chickens**t clusterf**ks I've ever seen. "Ahh! We can't trade Doc and bring back unproven prospects. We'll be crucified by the media and lambasted by our dwindling fanbase." The media's gonna crucify you whatever you do and I was at Doc's "final home start". 24,161 people bothered to show up to pay tribute to perhaps the best player to ever come out of the Blue Jay organization. In the final two games of that series they drew 26,500+ and 30,500+. Not even the amazing Doc Halladay affects the attendance here. The only thing that will get the bandwagon jumpers back (which constitute probably 50%-70% of your average crowd) is winning, as in playoffs, which in case y'all haven't noticed ain't happening this year or next year, with or without Halladay. Sometimes you've gotta make difficult decisions that upset the fanbase for the long term good of the franchise. But nooo, these people are so focused on the immediate impact on the bottom line that they fail to see a) the good it could do down the road and b) the fact that by not making these difficult decisions now, you are almost guaranteeing that the bottom line will continue to worsen as the fanbase gets turned off more and more by the stench and drone of constant mediocrity.
The biggest factor in all this was that J.P. set the bar for the return for Halladay at the Erik Bedard/C.C. Sabathia/Bartolo Colon level. Then the Cliff Lee trade happened and everyone around baseball reacted in shock saying that the Indians got screwed etc etc. What they failed to account for was that even since the Sabathia trade the market has drastically changed due to the uncertainty of the economy. Prospects are now almost valued as highly as established players because they are cheaper and budgets are being slashed all over the place. There was J.P. locking himself in his office, like a child in his bedroom, refusing to budge an inch in negotiations. You know negotiations...where two parties start out at opposite ends of the spectrum and gradually move toward a common middle ground. Oh no, not J.P., he was not "moved" enough. :rolleyes: And because of this Halladay will once again sit at home this October watching on TV wondering if he'll ever get to pitch in the post-season and the Blue Jays will once again put off the re-building project that must happen due to the fact that almost every player on this team and his dog's contract runs out after 2010. *sigh* What's a fan to do? Grow some f**kin nards guys or find a president with a set of brass ones, who will hire a similar GM and let's get going. Enough of the mediocrity already. Quit being a bunch of pu$$ie$, get off your a$$e$ and start building a goddamn baseball team. Thankyou.
End of rant, for now. :D