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Originally Posted by ragecage
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Originally Posted by ragecage
No, it's not. If you feel it's meaningless and pointless for you to participate in, then don't do so, but don't berate others for not feeling the same way as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Fixed it for you. That's what you apparently fail to comprehend.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
No. You're adding the time warp because you're apparently incapable of comprehending anything other than that...or you're trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
It's true, which is why we compare them to their contemporaries and rank them based on that. We're not ranking them based on how they'd do in a time warp scenario. We're ranking them based on how they did in their time period, and the value they provided to their team.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Sure, and nobody's doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
If you were trying to say that X was better than Z by Y amount, meaning that if one was teleported into the other's time, X would do better than Z by Y amount, that'd be dumb. Of course, nobody's doing that, but that's apparently the only way you're capable of comprehending it, but it's not the only way to do all-time rankings. Let's see if I can put this into even simpler terms for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Babe Ruth provided more value to his team than Ken Griffey did.
So this isn't a cop out;Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
-Babe was X amount better than his competition and Bonds was Y amount better than his competition. X is bigger than Y so Babe was better.
If you're going to say my **** is bigger than your **** therefore I am better...you have to take into account the **** size enhancing medication i'm taking :)
Ok good luck with that:pQuote:
Originally Posted by dickay
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Originally Posted by dickay
May I remind HGM and Dice that haveacigar is currently looking you guys up
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that dickay is so thick-headed that he seriously does not comprehend what I'm saying, and that he keeps twisting it into a position that I'm NOT saying and arguing against that position. He's either insanely thick-headed and silly or trolling, and like I said, I really hope it's the latter because while I rarely ever agree with him, I don't think of him as an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
I was merely stating my opinion and you didn't like it. Why is it wrong for me to do so but right for you to critique people for talking about trade possibilities? Hypocrite maybe?Quote:
No, it's not. If you feel it's meaningless and pointless for you to participate in, then don't do so, but don't berate others for not feeling the same way as you do.
thanks....you can compare to their peers. never said you couldn't. you've been comparing them to each other...ie the whole Babe is better than Griffey because he was better by X amount more than griffey was to his peers. again...you using your time warp comparing players of different eras.Quote:
Fixed it for you. That's what you apparently fail to comprehend.
You're not this dumb...really? I'm the one saying its illogical to compare players of different eras. You're in here saying Babe was better than Griffey and i'm using a time warp and you're not?? Interesting....:rolleyes:Quote:
No. You're adding the time warp because you're apparently incapable of comprehending anything other than that...or you're trolling.
YOu're dilusional and don't even know what kind of crap you're writing.Quote:
Sure, and nobody's doing that.
You're the only one talking about teleportation, take the star trek emblem out of your arse! I agree Babe provided more value to his team than Griffey did to his. So what? What does that mean? Does it mean Babes better than Griffey? Babe was ahead of his time...played in a different era. Griffey COULDN'T provide as much value to his team because the playing field wasn't the same. There was much greater competition. Why the need to compare players of different eras?Quote:
If you were trying to say that X was better than Z by Y amount, meaning that if one was teleported into the other's time, X would do better than Z by Y amount, that'd be dumb. Of course, nobody's doing that, but that's apparently the only way you're capable of comprehending it, but it's not the only way to do all-time rankings. Let's see if I can put this into even simpler terms for you.
Babe Ruth provided more value to his team than Ken Griffey did.
Babe was the best of his era...done.
Bonds was the best of his era (arguably)...done
Why compare the two? You can't logically. Its again merely bar fodder.
its because your head is up your a$$.Quote:
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that dickay is so thick-headed that he seriously does not comprehend what I'm saying, and that he keeps twisting it into a position that I'm NOT saying and arguing against that position. He's either insanely thick-headed and silly or trolling, and like I said, I really hope it's the latter because while I rarely ever agree with him, I don't think of him as an idiot.
This weekend will be a good time to go grab a wooden bat and murder two people.
This thread turned out fun. :)
Usually these types of threads are my fault.
Carry on. :)
Oh, Haveacigar, you sure a wooden bat will do the trick? I've been seeing a lot them break apart lately. College World Series is over, so I'm thinking some aluminum ones might be available.
Bringing up unrealistic trade possibilities does what? It's ACTUALLY a meaningless endeavor. Discussing all-time rankings is something baseball fans have done all the time, much like movie fans ranking movies, music fans ranking albums, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
OH MY ****ING LORD. Seriously. You compare them to each other BASED ON how they compare to their peers. For the god damn billionth time, let me spell it out real slowly for you:Quote:
thanks....you can compare to their peers. never said you couldn't. you've been comparing them to each other...ie the whole Babe is better than Griffey because he was better by X amount more than griffey was to his peers. again...you using your time warp comparing players of different eras.
Ranking Babe Ruth above Ken Griffey does not mean that if Babe Ruth was teleported into the present, he would outperform Ken Griffey. It means that he was better in comparison to his peers than Ken Griffey was in comparison to HIS peers. It means that Babe Ruth provided more value to his teams than Ken Griffey did to his teams.
NONE of that is illogical. Yes, it is illogical to say that Babe Ruth teleported into the present would do better than Griffey. NOBODY IS ****ING SAYING THAT. STOP ARGUING AGAINST IT.
Yeah. Using the one technique you're describing, it is illogical. Problem is, nobody is using that technique and there ARE logical ways to compare players of different eras.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
LOL No. You're just continuing to argue against something I'm not doing (see SirKodiak's post).Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
It means that Babe provided more value to his team than Griffey did, so for an all-time ranking of players, Babe ranks above Griffey.Quote:
I agree Babe provided more value to his team than Griffey did to his. So what? What does that mean?
No. Griffey couldn't provide more value than Babe because Babe was better in comparison to his peers than Griffey was in comparison to his. Griffey did provide more value to his team than Ruth's teammate Earle Combs...not because the playing field wasn't the same but because Griffey outclassed his league to a greater degree than Earle Combs did. It's really simple.Quote:
Griffey COULDN'T provide as much value to his team because the playing field wasn't the same.
It's something sports fans have done forever for fun, for discussion, to put a player's accomplishments into better all-time context, etc.Quote:
There was much greater competition. Why the need to compare players of different eras?
My head is up my ass because you're arguing against a strawman. haha. There's a new one. Cool!Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay