I think this is the worst HOF selection I've ever seen the AI make...please post your nominees for worst BBM HOF selections ever...:)
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I think this is the worst HOF selection I've ever seen the AI make...please post your nominees for worst BBM HOF selections ever...:)
maybe baseball mogul thought his average was good enough but still its not like his average was .340 or something
BM puts some weight on over 300 averages. Anything good in his vitals?
He might have had a reputation as a defensive wizard. I've seen worse.
It figures this particular Pete Rose gets in the HOF. He doesn't even have 3000 hits, let alone the 4256 the real one had. I'm sure the gambling habits are the same, too. lol
Most dominant player for six consecutive years, including a .383 average in one season.
He may have a few MVP award and a couple of gold gloves.
He may also have a few WS and maybe even one or two WS MVP or divisional playoff MVP.
I guess he got injured in 2026 and never really recovered.
The guy would get my vote.
While my HOF Pete Rose pales to the real McCoy, he had decent numbers. I personally disagree with the AI on this selection. In my opinion, he wouldn't get the required 5% to stay on the ballot after the first year of eligibility. And he can forget the Veteran's Committee vote later. I like Cuellar, being and Orioles fan myself, but he doesn't have the numbers for consideration.
And hanging on the last 3 years should've have absolutely killed any remote chances.
For better consideration to the question posted please post the vitals tab also.
BM takes the vitals tab into consideration.
EDIT: I cite this thread for example
http://sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/sh...d.php?t=195711
True, I didn't really check the Vitals. I knew he had a Cy Young from 1969, was dominant especially from 1969-1972 and though the game doesn't show it, got a World Series ring in 1970. But he mooched his second ring in 1976 by being an underused but experienced #6 starter/mop up guy.
Still doesn't have HOF numbers. Still, that part of Mogul is very minor to me. It's something that can be tweaked later. Game as a whole is awesome as it is.
also default for HOF consideration in the ini file gives pitchers more weight
I think its 105 for pitchers there
Also probably takes into consideration his 609 win%
And here's Rose's vitals, too. Don Mattingly had similar numbers and achievements in real life but had 467 less hits than my game's Rose. If Donnie Baseball didn't have those back injuries, who knows what that guy could've had at the end.
Pluses for Pete Rose on your game
2600 hits
310 BA
ROY
1 MVP
if he had more than 1 MVP he would have probably gotten in earlier, but that's speculation
I think if he did not have the MVP award he may have still gotten in but am unsure
Yeah, the winning % is the really the only thing I can think of. My ini has the pitchers set to 100. If I get future pitchers in the Hall like that I might lower that to 95.Quote:
Originally Posted by flapper
All positions except DH are set at 100. DH I put in 80 instead. Sorry, Edgar Martinez. :D
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Originally Posted by flapper
What you guys need to notice is all 3 guys you have posted BARELY got in (2 at 78% and 1 at 76%). It's not like they were at 95%, they just squeked in
looks like a stellar catcher to me...
6 dominating seasons of 120+ rbi seasons... he fell off hard after that but still legit stats for a hall-of-fame catcher...
Rockies>I did notice it.
For the catcher I thought the stats were solid enough for late consideration and he was. Compare his stats to other catchers during that era, it may give you a better idea.
injuries hit him like 3 of the next 4 years pretty hard...Quote:
Originally Posted by NattyOs8
i think mogul places to much emphasis on peak vs. overall career valueQuote:
Originally Posted by hihot
Wassit>You may be right, but if his average was under 300 with the rest of the stats he probably would not have made it. In the sim that I referenced in an earlier post, most players that made the hall had over 300 ba, most of the power hitters unless they had a high ba were late choices for the HoF. I took that sim into the 1980s. Top HR guy was over 700, his ba was like 245 though. Pretty sure he made it, basing it on a guy with 494 hr, #1 all time at time of retirement, hit 245 career and was a late HoF entry.
maybe its the fact the man won the whole thing 7 times i mean how many players have done that? and it looks like he was at least top 3 in rbi for like 6-7 years in a row
wow it looks like he didn't only win 7 times.. he won them all in a row and coupled with the fact he was most likely the MVP or at least top 3 on your team i could easily see how he got in especially if he got like playoff mvp a few times
The worst selection I've seen, was one game I did with the 2006 Tigers I believe. Basically, Jeremy Bonderman and Zach Miner developed into one of the greatest 1-2 punches in baseball history, combining for 11 cy youngs and about 550 wins (strangely enough, Verlander flamed out in that game).
A about 10 years into their run, Jair Jurrjens established himself as a #3, and ended up in the HOF. He only got about 140 wins, don't think he ever had a cy young, 20 win season, or season ERA below 3. Basically, he got in because he was in the Big 3, despite being nowhere close to the other two guys. When I can, I'll post his numbers.
Ok here are the "Hall of Fame" numbers on Jurrjens:
156-53, 3.89 career ERA, 1988.2 innings over 13 season, 1108 Ks and 555 BBs, only 1 20 win season, no Cy Youngs.
That's a killer winning percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
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Originally Posted by Wassit3
Hall of Fame Catchers
Yeah at that point, I was on a string of like 11 straight pennants.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIM
There's really only 2 guys on that list that don't belong: Farrell, and Schalk, and Farrell wasn't a terrible choice. Lopez was selectly mostly for his managerial career, not his playing time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirKodiak
Even Though he was on my team he still shouldn't get in
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worst ever HOF inductee even though i had him on my team
Jaker> why not?
.679 win%
over 200 wins
over 2500 k
around 2.75 k/bb
My opinion is the win% put him in as a late selection, everything else kept him on the outside looking in.
4+ ERA no all-stars or Cy Youngs?
4+ dice
7 championship likely helped him