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I read somewhere, can't find it now, a funny article that said something like:
Most NFL teams have pages and pages of scouting notes for players. Not for the Raiders they break theirs down by: Super fast, really fast, fast, not fast, slow. That's it.
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You mean you missed the part where they spent their 2nd round pick on a guy nobody had on their draft board & who wasn't even invited to the combine?
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http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/al_davis
"Has gone from creative and innovative kind of crazy to tissue-box-on-feet, saving-urine-in-jars crazy"
...so true...:(
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etothep
You mean you missed the part where they spent their 2nd round pick on a guy nobody had on their draft board & who wasn't even invited to the combine?
Yeah I heard about that, its hard to make fun of, because from what I heard is the Bears were going to draft him and the Raiders beat them to the punch. But this dude wasnt on a lot of teams boards, and it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to use a 2nd rounder to get a projected 7th rounder.
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I sincerely believe that the Raiders will be competitive again...after Al Davis dies.
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When did Al Davis have it?
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gosensgo101
When did Al Davis have it?
60's-80's he was pretty good.
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And Rage is just realizing now that he lost it :D
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hey, they did make a super bowl in 02.....somehow.
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ragecage
Yeah I heard about that, its hard to make fun of, because from what I heard is the Bears were going to draft him and the Raiders beat them to the punch. But this dude wasnt on a lot of teams boards, and it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to use a 2nd rounder to get a projected 7th rounder.
Yeah the Bears were going to draft him but like you said not until the 6th or 7th round
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Having seen Darrius Heyward-Bey play in person, I feel that I should add my input:
He DOES have game changing speed: he once made a 96-yard touchdown reception in college, where he blew past a Miami corner and made a great catch in stride. He's also a threat to score on reverses, and I believe he can return kicks as well. He had 3 problems: 1) no spread-offense system (which can inflate stats of receivers like Crabtree, Maclin, and Harvin), 2) a coach willing to throw the ball 30-40 times a game (Friedgen is very much a smashmouth coach), and 3) an NFL backup caliber quarterback (Sam Hollenbach, Jordan Steffy, Josh Portis, and Chris Turner are above-average college quarterbacks, at best).
I agree that #7 is too high. Perhaps they could've traded down to get more picks, but its too late for that now.
However, I'm reminded of another draft pick that all the experts thought was too high: Bengals OT Levi Jones was selected #10 overall in 2002, and all the pundits were left scratching their heads. 7 seasons later, Jones is still the starting left tackle for Cincinnati, and has turned into a productive protector for Carson Palmer.
Remember, all this is speculation. We'll have to wait until September to see for sure.
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Remember when the Texans took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush and everyone acted like it was the stupidest thing ever????
How'd that turn out?
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PotatoOfCouch13
Having seen Darrius Heyward-Bey play in person, I feel that I should add my input:
He DOES have game changing speed: he once made a 96-yard touchdown reception in college, where he blew past a Miami corner and made a great catch in stride. He's also a threat to score on reverses, and I believe he can return kicks as well. He had 3 problems: 1) no spread-offense system (which can inflate stats of receivers like Crabtree, Maclin, and Harvin), 2) a coach willing to throw the ball 30-40 times a game (Friedgen is very much a smashmouth coach), and 3) an NFL backup caliber quarterback (Sam Hollenbach, Jordan Steffy, Josh Portis, and Chris Turner are above-average college quarterbacks, at best).
I agree that #7 is too high. Perhaps they could've traded down to get more picks, but its too late for that now.
However, I'm reminded of another draft pick that all the experts thought was too high: Bengals OT Levi Jones was selected #10 overall in 2002, and all the pundits were left scratching their heads. 7 seasons later, Jones is still the starting left tackle for Cincinnati, and has turned into a productive protector for Carson Palmer.
Remember, all this is speculation. We'll have to wait until September to see for sure.
Scouts don't look at stats when deciding who to draft, they look at film to see footwork, instincts, hands, route running, & 'game speed' when looking WRs. They want to see if the WR takes advantage of a CB if the CB opens his hips, they want to see if he sees the safety bite on a play fake & hit the opening left by it.
Again, nobody is saying the Raiders screwed up for liking Bey better, just that they got him at a bare minimum of 10 picks too early. And yes, there are a few times when reaching has paid off such as Luis Castillo & Lofa Tatupu in 05. That doesn't make it a good idea to essentially leave draft picks on the table.
As far as his 'blazing speed,' another recent top 10 draft pick at WR with bust written all over him, Troy Williamson, was very similar to Bey. Again, if all you had to do was run fast to be a great receiver, then Olympic track stars would be going to the Pro Bowl. Route-running, knowledge of the game (such as reading defenses & being able to digest an NFL playbook), & hands are more important than being able to run a tenth of a second faster.
Not trying to be an ass or anything POC, just annoyed that someone isn't doing something about Al Davis. I mean obviously this dude is on another planet.
