This is the same exact game as 2009.

Same layout,same newspaper code, everything is the same. Clay you need re do the interface and add new modes and update it to be more real. You do the same thing every year adding only small features. I wouldn't buy this game....EVER. Plus every manager has a contract with a team, they just don't sign with the team and manage until they retire. This pisses me off your milking this people for all there money and you make little effort every year.

Yeah you will probably delete my post. But the truth hurts, face it.

Too bad it's not the truth. :rolleyes:

The interface has barely changed EVER, which is GOOD, because the interface is GREAT. A facelift for the hell of it to please the handful of people who need to see cosmetic differences in order to prevent them from whining about a lack of major changes, especially when it has the potential to be devastating considering the interface as is is excellent, is just silly.

Just because 2010 didn't include updates that YOU wanted, doesn't mean that all it was was small features. User-controlled expansion draft, League Builder, All-Time All Stars, etc. are all more than "small features."

Like I said it's only small features every year. It's basically the same as 2009. What a rip off.

Then buy it every 3 years. Or 5 years. Whatever makes you happy. Why come on and hurl accusations and attitude?

The website has a list of new features. There's a whole forum here going over every bit that was changed - good, bad, indifferent. You certainly knew what you were getting before you bought...right?

If you're familiar with the series at all, you know it's a text-based sim, and not something competing with 2K for Flashy Diving Play animation. Expecting this game to dramatically turn around in one year is...well, poor judgement. OOTP doesn't do a massive redesign that often either, from the bit I have played of it.

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Originally Posted by B-Don

Like I said it's only small features every year. It's basically the same as 2009. What a rip off.

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Once again, just because the features aren't the ones that you personally want doesn't mean that they are "only small features." I listed three new features that are certainly not small, and there's others as well.

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Originally Posted by B-Don

Like I said it's only small features every year. It's basically the same as 2009. What a rip off.

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It's "basically" not the same as 2009. Your post is laughable. There are several huge additions this year. I'm sorry that you missed all of them. You're doing the right thing though by not spending your money on something you don't want. Just don't expect your "in depth" objective post to convince many other people to do the same.

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Originally Posted by B-Don

Same layout,same newspaper code, everything is the same. Clay you need re do the interface and add new modes and update it to be more real. You do the same thing every year adding only small features. I wouldn't buy this game....EVER. Plus every manager has a contract with a team, they just don't sign with the team and manage until they retire. This pisses me off your milking this people for all there money and you make little effort every year.

Yeah you will probably delete my post. But the truth hurts, face it.

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Bad enough this thread author didn't use his spellchecker, grammar checker, usage checker, or punctuation checker before he hit the submit button, he had to bring in stank attitude and unsupported opinions with him. The user-controlled expansion team function and the new roster flexibility improvements were worth the price by itself, and BM '10 has a whole lot more than that. I don't mind people advancing reasoned opinions they can defend, but I stuggle to understand anyone who advances opinion based on ignorance. The thread author either hasn't explored BM '10 at all or is disgruntled that Mogul hasn't become just another graphically-pretty, meat-absent piece of fluff that my sports-hating grandmother could turn out.

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Originally Posted by B-Don

Same layout,same newspaper code, everything is the same. Clay you need re do the interface and add new modes and update it to be more real. You do the same thing every year adding only small features. I wouldn't buy this game....EVER. Plus every manager has a contract with a team, they just don't sign with the team and manage until they retire. This pisses me off your milking this people for all there money and you make little effort every year.

Yeah you will probably delete my post. But the truth hurts, face it.

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So, here's my question...if you won't ever by the game EVER, why the Hell would you even care? More than that, why would you expect the maker of a product to give a crap about complaints from someone who tells him "By the way, I will never purchase your product."

Believe me, as a long time OOTP player, you don't always want to see a complete overhaul of the interface.... because that pushed me AWAY from that series for a few versions...

except it isn't close to the same game as last year.................

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except it isn't close to the same game as last year.................

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It's close, but to me, that's a strength of the series. You don't have to relearn the game every year.

You just can't improve on a near prefect game engine, now can you ... lol

I just want to "see" the infield turn a double-play, not just "hear" it. Then we're talking perfection. The game is getting there, we have the baseball moving. <grin>

I want to see managers and coaches added to, but I want it done right, not just thrown in there just because Clay wants to appease those who can 't be pleased anyways.

The biggest selling point for me was controlling an expansion team

The feature for me that makes this game so much better to me as a pbp player is the ability to carry an extra pitcher instead of a bat I would hardly ever use

Newspaper code? Really??

If you think it's the same game and hate having to pay, I'm pretty sure bbm 2006 is a free download, and clearly it is the same game.

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Newspaper code? Really??

If you think it's the same game and hate having to pay, I'm pretty sure bbm 2006 is a free download, and clearly it is the same game.

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Have fun not having any split stats, encyclopedia, PBP, depth chart, user controlled expansion drafts, league builder, all-time all-stars, not having many options as to how you want to play or with league settings, not being able to control sim settings etc etc etc... :D

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Originally Posted by Pete4256

You just can't improve on a near prefect game engine, now can you ... lol

I just want to "see" the infield turn a double-play, not just "hear" it. Then we're talking perfection. The game is getting there, we have the baseball moving. <grin>

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Near perfect? Even as a text-based sim, not even close. The utter and complete lack of changes to free agency, expenses, and PBP is baffling. I wouldn't go so far to say nothing has changed, but it is true that it has only changed for some people.

However, if you don't care for the expansion drafts or league options, he is right in saying that almost nothing changed except updated rosters.

There also just seems to be less effort coming from Clay. In the old days, he'd release multiple patches a year with new things. We got peak start/end and we got things like PBP. first with player mode only, then with the addition of manager mode and gm mode.

BM2009 saw little changes patchwise, after much promise that "when you buy the game, you are subscribing to a year's worth of updates." This was true before, but it seems as though BM is no longer interested in improving as much as it did before. This is why I haven;t bought the new game after 6 years of buying it every year.

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Have fun not having any split stats, encyclopedia, PBP, depth chart, user controlled expansion drafts, league builder, all-time all-stars, not having many options as to how you want to play or with league settings, not being able to control sim settings etc etc etc... :D

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But...it's the same game!!!!:(

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Originally Posted by NYDodgers

Near perfect? Even as a text-based sim, not even close. The utter and complete lack of changes to free agency, expenses, and PBP is baffling. I wouldn't go so far to say nothing has changed, but it is true that it has only changed for some people.

However, if you don't care for the expansion drafts or league options, he is right in saying that almost nothing changed except updated rosters.

There also just seems to be less effort coming from Clay. In the old days, he'd release multiple patches a year with new things. We got peak start/end and we got things like PBP. first with player mode only, then with the addition of manager mode and gm mode.

BM2009 saw little changes patchwise, after much promise that "when you buy the game, you are subscribing to a year's worth of updates." This was true before, but it seems as though BM is no longer interested in improving as much as it did before. This is why I haven;t bought the new game after 6 years of buying it every year.

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I suspect the whole mess with his physical distributor bailing out (going bankrupt actually, if I remember correctly) and the BMO situation were probably massive distractions that aren't there anymore.

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Originally Posted by NYDodgers

Near perfect? Even as a text-based sim, not even close. The utter and complete lack of changes to free agency, expenses, and PBP is baffling. I wouldn't go so far to say nothing has changed, but it is true that it has only changed for some people.

However, if you don't care for the expansion drafts or league options, he is right in saying that almost nothing changed except updated rosters.

There also just seems to be less effort coming from Clay. In the old days, he'd release multiple patches a year with new things. We got peak start/end and we got things like PBP. first with player mode only, then with the addition of manager mode and gm mode.

BM2009 saw little changes patchwise, after much promise that "when you buy the game, you are subscribing to a year's worth of updates." This was true before, but it seems as though BM is no longer interested in improving as much as it did before. This is why I haven;t bought the new game after 6 years of buying it every year.

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Lets be realistic here, what would you do if YOU were the programmer of this game?

You know that many will buy your game year after year. So you come across a way to introduce a new feature while patching the present release, you are more then likely to shelf that until the new release to make it more attractive to buy it. Why would you introduce new features in the present version when people already bought the game?

Yes, to me there isn't much of a difference between 2009 and 2010 but lesson learned, I will wait a few more years when the game as REAL new features that will be useful to me. If you want to sell one year of support for half the price then I would consider it but the way it is right now, 2010 is certainly not a new game but just further patching of 2009.

Saying like it is.

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Lets be realistic here, what would you do if YOU were the programmer of this game?

You know that many will buy your game year after year. So you come across a way to introduce a new feature while patching the present release, you are more then likely to shelf that until the new release to make it more attractive to buy it. Why would you introduce new features in the present version when people already bought the game?

Yes, to me there isn't much of a difference between 2009 and 2010 but lesson learned, I will wait a few more years when the game as REAL new features that will be useful to me.

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Once again, just because the new features aren't the ones that you yourself wanted does not mean that there are no "real" new features. They just aren't the features that YOU wanted.

I, personally, rarely use any of the new features except for the ability to change the number of pitchers and hitters, but I'm rational enough to understand that just because the new features aren't attractive to me doesn't make them not new features.

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2010 is certainly not a new game but just further patching of 2009.

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Like 2009 was 2008, and 2008 was 2007, and 2007 was 2006, and 2006 was 2005, etc. Mogul has ALWAYS been that way and, in my opinion, it's FOR THE BETTER. I don't want a new game every year. I don't want to have to relearn how to play every year. I want the game I've known and loved for years to be updated and improved upon.

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ain't America great

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Originally Posted by Pete4256

I just want to "see" the infield turn a double-play, not just "hear" it. Then we're talking perfection. The game is getting there, we have the baseball moving. <grin>

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Wouldn't this be at the expense of being able to use the custom stadium pictures? I would rather be able to use those than to see players moving around.

Now, having the ball move around as it is thrown would be cool, but there are other things to work on first.

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Wouldn't this be at the expense of being able to use the custom stadium pictures? I would rather be able to use those than to see players moving around.

Now, having the ball move around as it is thrown would be cool, but there are other things to work on first.

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actually, that would be kinda off putting, seeing the ball move side to side without any fielders animated. No thanks.

well after reading the original post, I had many answers I wanted to share, but in the end, decided against it after reading almost all of my objections written by previous members who wrote on this thread....good job guys.

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Once again, just because the new features aren't the ones that you yourself wanted does not mean that there are no "real" new features. They just aren't the features that YOU wanted.

I, personally, rarely use any of the new features except for the ability to change the number of pitchers and hitters, but I'm rational enough to understand that just because the new features aren't attractive to me doesn't make them not new features.


Like 2009 was 2008, and 2008 was 2007, and 2007 was 2006, and 2006 was 2005, etc. Mogul has ALWAYS been that way and, in my opinion, it's FOR THE BETTER. I don't want a new game every year. I don't want to have to relearn how to play every year. I want the game I've known and loved for years to be updated and improved upon.

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yup, i didn't see the new features i wanted, but I also understand that clay is likely working hard to piece together a product to not only make the general public happy with his product, but also those of us that consistently use it and will continue to buy it. The features I want, I have stated, but I am not going to be upset if i don't get what I want, because I realize that isn't the reality of the situation....if he tried to please all of us, the game would be buggy, and no fun to play. I think Clay did a great job with the new game, however, I was a little skeptical at first, after playing it more and more I am liking it more and more.

and to the guy who started this thread (forgot his name) "you telling it like it is" may only be true to you. but it isn't to the majority of us.

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Once again, just because the new features aren't the ones that you yourself wanted does not mean that there are no "real" new features. They just aren't the features that YOU wanted.

I, personally, rarely use any of the new features except for the ability to change the number of pitchers and hitters, but I'm rational enough to understand that just because the new features aren't attractive to me doesn't make them not new features.


Like 2009 was 2008, and 2008 was 2007, and 2007 was 2006, and 2006 was 2005, etc. Mogul has ALWAYS been that way and, in my opinion, it's FOR THE BETTER. I don't want a new game every year. I don't want to have to relearn how to play every year. I want the game I've known and loved for years to be updated and improved upon.

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HGM, you are being quite nice, I like your management style here and above.

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Too bad it's not the truth. :rolleyes:

The interface has barely changed EVER, which is GOOD, because the interface is GREAT. A facelift for the hell of it to please the handful of people who need to see cosmetic differences in order to prevent them from whining about a lack of major changes, especially when it has the potential to be devastating considering the interface as is is excellent, is just silly.

Just because 2010 didn't include updates that YOU wanted, doesn't mean that all it was was small features. User-controlled expansion draft, League Builder, All-Time All Stars, etc. are all more than "small features."

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I have to agree with HoustonGM. There are new features and things you can do and he listed 3 major ones. And believe me, I have griped over things that were not done, but the reality is that no other game I've played or currently play has the potential to entertain me for hours. Its simplicity coupled with your ability to "mod" the game to your needs as well Clay updating it throughout the year, makes this game well worth it (for me at least) like they said before me, there are some players who will buy the game every 4th year or so. you have to do what best suits your situation.

The game is 'perfect' and has been 'perfect' for over 3 or 4 years. If perfect means a very good baseball sim that is, and will remain, addictive and fun. As opposed to fun but gets old fast.

However, humans being humans, we always want and expect more.

Take the expansion draft for example. Something I've been wanting for a long time and finally have; and that it works very well. But it turns out that its just another way to select your original rosters. Problem is, as soon as you sim a year or two, a lot of it is changed and having done the draft changes very little to the game and the season that follows.

Changing the free agency and other things would make the game better. But BM would still be a very good baseball sim that is addictive and fun. And humans being humans, we would still want more and more.

Personnaly, I would like to see Clay starts working on a basketball sim soon, which is something he used to talk about and has been quiet of for a while. Or maybe some other sport like hockey or... how about a greyhound racing sim! I remember a good greyhound racing game in 1986 if I recall... not much competition there, Clay!... hum, somehow I doubt it. LOL.

Yeah, that will likely NEVER happen. Between the work that it takes for Baseball and Football Mogul, and the fact that it is only Clay, I don't see how (or why) he would begin another new product.

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Yeah, that will likely NEVER happen. Between the work that it takes for Baseball and Football Mogul, and the fact that it is only Clay, I don't see how (or why) he would begin another new product.

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We've found the culprit. Don't get me wrong, I love football (moreso than baseball), but it's time that Football Mogul gets taken out back & 'old yeller'-ed (sorry Clay)

Football Mogul is made already. Release a new one every two years and you got cash coming in.

Its basic accounting.

Fixed cost are the same no matter how many games Clay works on (appartment, cpu, software, etc). Even if FM is not profitable (I ignore if it is or not), its subsidising BM by sharing some of the fixed cost. Eliminate FM's cash flow, and all of a sudden, BM may not be profitable. Well, its basic accounting for me (an accountant).

My point is, and this is only my opinion, I think a game developper working alone needs to have more than one title going on at any given time (especially with the pirated stuff out there eating some of the potential sales).

The main problem for football mogul is the Madden's series and the awesome size of their budget.

That's the thing. This game still provides hours of entertainment for me, too. But it just has so much potential that it is wasting. No one is arguing that the game is bad. We are just saying that although the game has inherent limitations, it is still not progressing.

Even if it is buggy at first, revamped free agency and expenses are so needed and I don't see any reason for not changing it. Seriously. He still hasn't even fixed the problem with not being able to type in expenses :rolleyes:

And everyone defending the game is not helping, either. Clay would have no reason to try harder to improve BM10 if people still defend it on the forums and shoot down all criticism.

The main point is this: yes, this game has limitations. However, the game is nowhere near its peak, and has NOT gotten to the point where it would be hard to add anything else.

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And everyone defending the game is not helping, either. Clay would have no reason to try harder to improve BM10 if people still defend it on the forums and shoot down all criticism.

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Nobody shoots down all criticism. We shoot down whining and false statements. Constructive criticism is VERY good. For example, my signature.

I don't see what's wrong with defending the game, especially against falsehoods. Defending it doesn't mean that the game is perfect and doesn't need to be improved.

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The main point is this: yes, this game has limitations. However, the game is nowhere near its peak, and has NOT gotten to the point where it would be hard to add anything else.

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I don't disagree.

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I don't disagree.

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So you agree that the game has much to improve, but say that Clay has changed enough since 2008(heck, 2007) to warrant paying money for a new version?

FM has changed even less than BM has. There's no BMO anymore, and I don't understand where his time is going.

It's just that there is so much that he could've done for the new version that he didn't do, even for a one-man company for a text-based sim. And this is extremely frustrating for people who love the game and know that it could be so much better.

..you're actually the epitome of that person.

Every video game has much to improve. No video game is ever going to be perfect, all you can ask for is a relatively bug free game which is has atleast a few upgrades, but as long as its fun, that's enough for me!

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Every video game has much to improve. No video game is ever going to be perfect, all you can ask for is a relatively bug free game which is has atleast a few upgrades, but as long as its fun, that's enough for me!

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Perfection is not what you want. Because then it is impossible to improve on....

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So you agree that the game has much to improve, but say that Clay has changed enough since 2008(heck, 2007) to warrant paying money for a new version?

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Yes.

Just because it has much to improve doesn't mean that it hasn't been improved.

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It's just that there is so much that he could've done for the new version that he didn't do, even for a one-man company for a text-based sim. And this is extremely frustrating for people who love the game and know that it could be so much better.

..you're actually the epitome of that person.

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There's no doubt that I'm frustrated about certain things, but that doesn't mean that I can't look at things rationally. It means that I'm going to give constructive criticism and do what I can to make the game better and correctly document the problems with the game to assist Clay in making it better, because I WANT the game to be better, and ranting and whining about it is going to do precisely nothing.