This is the same exact game as 2009.

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On the same token, it's also unrealistic to think that Adam Dunn would be an equivalent player, just with less strikeouts and more hits, because part of the reason he gets so many strikeouts is because he's very patient at the plate, and in order to cut down his strikeouts, he'd likely also wind up cutting down his walks, and perhaps his power because cutting down his strikeouts would require shortening his swing.

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Yeah. I'm just saying that strikeouts are bad, not that you can't be a good player and still strike out a lot.

Yeah. Any out is bad. ;) (Yes, I know, there are some outs which are beneficial to a win, such as a sac fly in the bot of the 9th in a tie game, but you get the point)

i think for the real in depth hardcore mogulers 2010 is a huge upgrade, but for less in depth crowd, theres not much change. the biggest change needs to be improved ai as far as re-signing guys and free agency and its still very lacking.

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Guys, This horse isn't just dead, it's a bloody pulp...

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Kind of what the ball looks like after Dunn gets finished with it, eh?

<ducks>

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i think for the real in depth hardcore mogulers 2010 is a huge upgrade, but for less in depth crowd, theres not much change. the biggest change needs to be improved ai as far as re-signing guys and free agency and its still very lacking.

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The thing is, this forum creates a "living inside of a drum" effect. The "hardcore mogulers", as you put it, are the people who participate the most here on the forums. Therefore, "our" issues are the ones that are talked about... Even more importantly, the human attention span is only so large, and since those of us who are "hardcore mogulers" are the most active participants the issues that we care about the most are the topics which "stay alive" here on the forums.

That's not to say that we're the only voice that Clay hears. He does receive email, let alone have his own opinions, after all.

My only point is that there's only so much a single (busy) person can pay attention to.
Also, Since those of us who are "hardcore" tend to like the game basically as is there isn't likely to be much support for wholesale changes (and that isn't even getting into the whole technical side that large changes create).

Besides, I know that I'm somewhat hard pressed myself to think of a really worthwhile, truly large, change that could be made (regardless of support). I guess... introducing management personnel (coaches, scouts, trainer) would be the only thing that I would really change. But even then, what I envision would only be a new face for the existing expense system.
Is there something that could legitimately be added?

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Besides, I know that I'm somewhat hard pressed myself to think of a really worthwhile, truly large, change that could be made (regardless of support). I guess... introducing management personnel (coaches, scouts, trainer) would be the only thing that I would really change. But even then, what I envision would only be a new face for the existing expense system.
Is there something that could legitimately be added?

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I'm pretty sure making a free agent bidding system would qualify. That is one thing that Mogul lacks that basically EVERY other sports sim has.

um, yea... good point. I completely forgot about that.
BMO even (basically) had a FA bidding system.

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The real point is that while I'd rather a ball be put into play than the batter strike out, how often a batter strikes out is largely irrelevant to his overall value as a hitter.

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This is part of the RC (Runs Created) formula:

RC '02 version
-.04*SO

If SO are equivalent to any other 'out' made, there wouldn't be a separate (negative) factor for them.

Nobody ever said that Runs Created was perfect.

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Nobody ever said that Runs Created was perfect.

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What are you talking about? Are you nuts? Anything that backs up my preconceived notions is perfect.

Can you now work on something important, like finding me stats that prove Andre Dawson should be in the Hall of Fame?

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Nobody ever said that Runs Created was perfect.

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HUH? What kind of a cop-out answer is THAT?

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What are you talking about? Are you nuts? Anything that backs up my preconceived notions is perfect.

Can you now work on something important, like finding me stats that prove Andre Dawson should be in the Hall of Fame?

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How about showing Dawson *never* should have won the NL MVP award in '87 while with a LAST-PLACE team?

Ozzie Smith got cheated out the MVP (#2 in the vote), only because Dawson had the temerity to let the Cubs write him a 'blank check' for his salary that year and had a great season; but The Wizard had his best overall season and should have been picked--since the writers always say the winner should be from a division-winning (in this case, pennant-winning) team; and certainly not from a LAST-PLACE team. Somehow, they went against their own rule and voted for Dawson. A travesty in the MVP voting if ever there was one.
Another weird case where the absurdity for HR/RBIs is put ahead of everything else important in baseball such as fielding greatness, a good BA (.303 for Smith), and leadership for his team.

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HUH? What kind of a cop-out answer is THAT?

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:rolleyes:

But, just for fun. Adam Dunn has a career RC/G of 7.4, meaning that a team of Adam Dunn's would score 7.4 runs per game, meaning...he's very good.

Adam Dunn is a good hitter. This is not a discussion. Like, I'm sorry, but it's not.