Right now he's talking to Jeff Gilooly, trying to get him to smash Peyton Manning in the knee with a metal pipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
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Right now he's talking to Jeff Gilooly, trying to get him to smash Peyton Manning in the knee with a metal pipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
This was the Worst Trade In NFL History
2. Colts trade Elway to Broncos
John Elway wrote his legend in Denver, not Baltimore.
The Deal: When No. 1 pick John Elway refused to play in Baltimore, the Colts traded the draft rights to the Stanford quarterback to Denver in exchange for quarterback Mark Hermann, the rights to offensive tackle Chris Hinton and a first-round pick in the 1984 draft, which ended up being guard Ron Solt.
The Impact: Elway became a legend in Denver, where he won more games (148) than any quarterback in NFL history and led the Broncos to five Super Bowl appearances, winning two. He finished his 16-year career ranked second in passing yardage (51,475), third in TD passes (300) and first in fourth-quarter comebacks (47).
Hinton played the first seven of his 13 NFL seasons with the Colts. He was selected to seven Pro Bowls and chosen All-Pro five times. Hermann, a journeyman quarterback who threw 36 interceptions and just 16 TD passes in his 11-year career, played just five games for the Colts in the first of his two stints with the team. Solt played in the NFL for nine seasons, including the first five with the Colts.
while a bit early to make that claim IMO, it understandably has been very bad thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
Cutler struggles I think are alot to do with the system. Maybe he's not the QB many thought he was or maybe Denvers system was just much more comfortable for him. The biggest problem is that if they replace their OC and/or coach then yet another new system comes in for Cutler. Its not really setting him up for success. The smart move for them would be to install a system similar to what Denver had when Cutler was successful and hope to revitalize his confidence and game.
I can think of worse trades however.
- Gruden from Oak to TB for two 1sts a second and a 4th ranks up there. Admittedly, i thought it was a great deal for Oak but couldn't have ended up worse. They horrifically bungled all those picks, and then were clobbered in the Super Bowl by their old coach sending them into a southward spiral.
- Herchal Walker from Dallas to Minn. really was the deal that set up the most recent Dallas dynasty.
- The Raiders yet again make my list sending Moss to NE for a 4th rd pick, a guy no longer in the league.
- Jerome Bettis to the Steelers for a couple mid round picks to the Rams. The only significant Ram selected was Lawrence Phillips who I think holds an NFL record with like 50 charges of domestic abuse.
- And finally one that always comes up in these discussions is Favre to ATL for a dance. While its hard to fault ATL because nobody expected Favre to be a HOF QB Ironman.....in retrospect its likely the most lopsided deal ever.
I just feel bad for all those excited Bears fans.
I see a downside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sox442
Your guy throws 25 picks.
:D
Do I love this deal too much because I'm a Denver fan? Yes.
Does it matter? No.
Nice juicy Chicago 1st rounder this year. :D
Agreed on all counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Ahman Green and a 5th for Fred Vinson and a 6th
Jeff George for Andre Rison, Chris Hinton, and a pick
Ricky Williams for a draft
Ryan Leaf to Chargers
Steve Young from Bucs
Craig Morton for Randy White
This is what happens when a guy goes from playing behind one of the best pass protecting lines in the league and throwing to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal to playing behind one of the worst lines in the league and throwing to Devin Hester and Earl Bennett.
Maybe Not the worst But the most Lopsided
Bear Get
Jay Cutler
9 Losses
26 Picks
Bronco Get
Orton
2 First Round Picks
6-0 Start
2-8 Finish
Really....Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
Minnesota Vikings Received
* RB Herschel Walker
* Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
* San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
* Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
* Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)
Dallas Cowboys Received
* LB Jesse Solomon
* LB David Howard
* CB Issiac Holt
* RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
* DE Alex Stewart
* Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
* Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
* Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
* Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
* Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
* Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
* Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
* Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)
Not only that but...
Minnesota got screwed many times over.Quote:
Dallas ended up with a total of six of Minnesota's picks over the succeeding years, two of which were used to draft Emmitt Smith and Darren Woodson. Jimmy Johnson used the other draft picks to make trades with other teams around the NFL. One of the trades led to obtaining the first overall draft pick in 1991, which was used to draft Russell Maryland.
not even close. Again, Herschal Walker is generally accepted as one of the worse/most lopsided deals of all time. The Favre & Moss deals i'd call more lopsided as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
1st rd picks aren't guarentees...and Cutler is better than he's played. This deal is too early to judge, but I doubt it gets near the "most lopsided" category.
What in you mind is the difference between worse & most lopsided in trade review BTW?
I think this trade needs to really be evaluated in a few years when we see what the Bronco's get out of these draft picks and maybe see how Cutler pans out with possibly some reliable receivers. I agree, I think Cutler is better than what he has done this past season.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Well he sure had a nice finish to the season, throwing 4 TD passes in their last two games and both were wins leaving the Bears at 7-9. With hardly a running game this season (Forte struggled mightily), no #1 receiver to throw, hardly an offensive line, no Brian Urlacher on defense, I'd say he did a decent job. He's a gunslinger and takes many risks like a Brett Favre. He's obviously not as polished, but he will get there. The Bears know what they need and will hopefully draft to address those needs. I like Cutler, hate the Bears, but would like to see Cutler pan out into a top tier QB.