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This is one of the sadder stories I have read in a while. This is one of the reasons I hate the police. He should get fired.
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This is one of the sadder stories I have read in a while. This is one of the reasons I hate the police. He should get fired.
Ok, YOU are a cop. This happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
You let him carry on his way?Quote:
Ryan Moats, 26, explained that he waited until there was no traffic before proceeding through the red light. When Powell asked for proof of insurance, Moats grew more agitated and told the officer to go find it.
Guess it's a good thing you're not a cop
I don't hate the police, I've found the ones I've associated with to be very kind and helpful. I could tell you of one night that is pretty unbelievable, but beside the point.
I do hate the bad ones, though. And I really, really, really, hate the "Blue Wall of Silence" where they defend each other over what is right.
The cop that shot the guy in the back in the Oakland (???) subway, this example, there was an example in my neck of the woods where a guy got shot 8 times in the back in his car, and it wasn't even in the cops jurisdiction.
And what I hate the most is when these bad ones do something like this, they never get treated like the rest of us. Get fired??? Do you think that's what would happen to you if you delayed another person from receiving emergency medical help??
Ahh, sorry, got the OldFatGuy starting a rant, and I'll go ahead and stop now.
Sorry. :o
Are you suggesting he NEVER told the cop there was a medical emergency?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
OK you are NOT the cop.
You are stopped for running a red light.
You explain to the cop your mother in law is dying and you're on your way to the hospital.
The cop doesn't believe you (most likely because you're black, although I'm sure everyone will cry foul for me bringing that up. But I've seen racist cops in action in Texas with my own four eyes) and instead insists on you showing proof of insurance.
What do you do?
I'd likely not tell him to find it himself. I'd likely tell him to go **** himself.
I think you would be one of those upset, beings you dont believe in god. If there was someone you cared about and knew they were dying wouldnt you not give a damn about a stupid light to try to be there for their last moments on earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
And yeah, if I was told, the reason I ran that light is that my mother in law was dying If i was the cop i would let him go. Unless you have an issue with his color and thats why you choose the cops side.
I guess, hate is a strong word for police, I dont necessarily hate all of them, but living in a small town like I do, you know the good ones and the bad ones by name. In this cops case it reminds me of the bad ones that take the power of their job to their head which annoys me.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
Of course I would be upset. But what do you think happens every time he pulls someone over. How many ******** stories do you think he hears?
Should that be a 'get out of jail free card'. You get pulled over and say 'my mom's dying' and the cop steps aside?
No doubt there are some shitty cops. Though, all my incidents with them have been very positive. I've avoided some life altering trouble because some police didn't press an issue with me when they could have. It doesn't hurt to cooperate. And this guy was just doing his job.
He was in the hospital parking lot for gosh sakes man! You can put 1 and 1 together I would think, even another officer came to that guy writing a ticket to confirm what Moats was saying.
What a douche.
The thing I hate is when he stopped arguing and said "Hurry Up, write the ticket" the cop wouldn't do it
Wow, you ignored a lot of that story to write a post this moronic. The whole exchange should've ended right....here:Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
“My mother-in-law is dying! Right now! You’re wasting my time!” Moats yelled. “I don’t understand why you can’t understand that.”
As soon as that happens, the cop can either let him go, or be the biggest douchebag in the universe. And, judging by the police chief's comments about the situation, I'm thinking he agrees with my assessment.
Tell you what: read this version of the story, and then try to defend that embarrassment to law enforcement.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...html?nTar=OPUR
What we don't know is where was the traffic light the guy ran compared to the hospital parking lot.
Did he run the light directly into the lot? Did he run the light and drive 3 blocks into the lot? The cop was there. And Moats was there in an emotional state. You don't know what happened there other than a couple words from an article on Yahoo! sports.
Maybe you should tone down your judgement until you know all the facts, which will likely be never
The Dallas police chief disagrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Yeah, I know. It's a damn hard job. And you bet they hear ******** stories all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
But I think most reasonable folks in that same situation would've handled it differently. And I further think he handled it very poorly. And I further think it was almost entirely due to race.
So, maybe I'm being too hard on him. Maybe you're being to easy on him. Or maybe it's somewhere in the middle.
Either way, a woman died that perhaps wouldn't have if things had been handled differently. You seem to be eager to understand the cops view (it's probably a ******** story) while I seem to be eager to understand the man's view (I'd get more agitated too if someone was stopping me from getting help for a loved one).
What's it all mean???
I dunno.
I still think he's a douche (the cop), as someone above said.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
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When you pull someone over you don't know what is going to happen.
He's RIGHT BY THE HOSPITAL. The cop couldn't have let them go, and just wait by the car until someone came out and confirmed their story?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Are you a cop? Is your dad a cop? Did he get shot when pulling someone over? Is that why you seem to have some sort of personal agenda against this, and refuse to admit that it was the wrong thing to do on the cop's part?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
No, but I can take the police chief's word for it. Hell, how can you read that story and make any inference that the cop's life was in danger? "My mom is dying" is dangerous now? What?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Let's try and not make this personal
No, no, no.
I don't think it was the wrong thing.
After seeing the video, I'll give you that this isn't the cop of the year either.
But it is nothing but fact, when you are a police officer, EVERY TIME you do your job you are at risk of being killed. They are taught to control the situation. Not just let anybody go with a good excuse.
I really just don't understand how the police chief can watch the video, along with all the other officers, and find him to be completely out of line, but you think differently. I think if anyone would know the ins-and-outs of the situation, it's the police chief.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Im thinking pride has something to do with it. Nothing wrong with admitting youre wrong.
It kind of throws me for a loop, with fili's religious beliefs that are the same as mine, I would be outraged if it was myself in that situation.
I understand the cop acting the way he did...UNTIL the point where I guess a hospital employee came out and TOLD the cop what was going on. And his response is...
"Oh, okay...almost done."
At THAT point he goes from a cop doing his job to a powertripping dick. At that point he now KNOWS the guy has been telling him the truth, but no, I'll just keep him out here a little longer.
I don't see what religion has to do with it..:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Read the original story that was posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
There is nothing in the original story that states that the police chief found him to be completely out of line.
that's why I posted THIS
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Originally Posted by filihok
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Originally Posted by ragecage
A big part of my religious beliefs are to try and look at things from different angles to see the actual truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Fair enough, which is why I posted the Dallas newspaper story. And yet, after I posted it, you're telling me, "I don't think it was the wrong thing." Which I find puzzling.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
The way I see it, the policeman had every right to pull him over and issue a ticket. But he should of allowed him to go as soon as he found out about the circumstances. I wouldn't even care if he did issue the ticket, as long as he did it quickly.
And, there is no way he should've pulled his gun out.
I don't know, how many times does he hear the story when visibly upset people are frantically trying to get into the hospital? And, when another police officer arrived and told him that they were telling the truth and that she was indeed dying, he replied "I'm almost done".Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
GET HIM OUT. My dad was a cop for 27 years and when he heard this story, he was visibly upset and said that cop should be fired. TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
Dude, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and there is no need to force your own opinion on him. Sure maybe you don't agree with him on this issue but you can almost never get EVERYONE to agree on something. Cut him some slack and actually listen to what he is saying. Part of what he is saying is true, even though I don't like what the cop did, and we need to see that Moats COULD HAVE been making the whole thing and the cop had probably heard a bunch of ******** stories before when he was trying to give someone a ticket. It's complete crap that when someone disagrees with the majority that 2 or 3 members just go apeshit and jump all over him for that. Everyone is entitled to their own ****ing opinion and you should respect that.
I probably said that a bit in the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
I was probably a bit defensive as I had just been called 'moronic' because I couldn't divine information from an article I hadn't yet read and a racist because-I don't know why.
I still don't think he was as bad as to warrant a firing.
He first started following the car a ways from the hospital. If you're a cop and you turn on your lights and the car drives that distance without stopping, more times than not it is probably a problem. At this point the cop is probably starting to get a little tense.
They pull into a hospital parking lot, which is odd. It's easy to think that at this point the cop should have assumed there was a problem. As a cop, making that assumption can leave you dead.
When the car pulled into the spot, immediately people started jumping out. As a cop, I don't think you'd want this. YOU want to be in control of the situation. Everyone in the car is much safer than people outside of the car. You can see keep an eye on all of them if they are in the car. Not when some are inside and some are out.
A big deal was made of him pulling his gun. I'm not a cop, I don't know. But if you've been following this car for a while with lights and sirens and when it finally pulls over (in a hospital-yes) and people immediately jump out, I wouldn't think that unholstering your gun is that bad. You don't know if they've also unholstered.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
At this point, he pretty much goes to crap.
When the other cop tells him that the nurse is saying that the guy's mom is inside dying, he should probably forget about the ticket at that point. Until then, it still has the potential to just be a story.
Not all opinions deserve respect, and are even open to negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
I think strawberry ice cream sucks. That's an opinion. I don't care if anyone else shares that opinion or not.
I think you can't use a gun to kill me for any reason you may want.. That's an opinion. I do care if others share that or not. And as a society we have to come to the conclusion that some opinions aren't open for negotiation. And if the odd person speaks up and says "In my opinion we should be able to use guns to kill people for any reason" then I, and we, can "go apeshit and jump down their throat."
This cop was wrong. A lady died. A real, live, breathing, woman died. As a direct result of the cops action??? Maybe not. But he certainly didn't HELP the situation.
We give cops special rights and privileges that we don't give others. With those rights and privileges we expect certain responsibilities. Using good and sound judgement is one of them. If they behave in a way that leads us to question that judgement, then we should question it. And if we, as a group (society) come to the conclusion that he acted badly, then we don't need to respect "others" opinions any more than we have to respect others opinion who might chime in and say the cop could've shot the guy and his mother-in-law too if he wanted too.
No, I'm not listening to someone using the "it's a rough job" "you never know what awaits a cop" stuff, because this is unacceptable behavior from someone in a position that we can't tolerate unacceptable behavior in. If he's mentally or physically unable to make good and sound judgements even in difficult circumstances, then perhaps a police officer is the wrong job for him.
Of course, all of this was just my opinion.
Would she had died if they were in the room? Probably. I am just trying to keep everyone for jumping on Fili just because he thinks that maybe, HEAVEN FORBID, the cop did SOMETHING right
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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
Actually no, the person in question was in the hospital an dying they were going to see her.
From the Sounds of it the cop was being unreasonable. He was pulled over in the Hospital Parking lot, regardless of were the light was ran he went to the hospital.
As a cop he has every right to be suspicious, he pulled his gun when someone went to get out of the car unasked, cops do that. To me the cop was being a jackass, some people are like that but this is the worst part:
I don't think the guys deserves to be fired: suspended maybe demoted, but fired i think goes too far (based on this incident). Does one jackass mean i hate cops, well no more than it make me hate people in general.Quote:
When another officer came with word that Moats’ mother-in-law was indeed dying, Powell’s response was: “All right. I’m almost done.”
I agree, and I apologize if it seemed I was jumping on you. I didn't even mean to be jumping on Fili.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
But I just wanted to point out how for some things we really do need to try and come to a consensus. In my opinion, it would be nice if we could in this case, because the more we muddy the waters with differing opinions on what a cop can and can't do then I guarantee you there will be more and more cops engaging in questionable behavior.
It's a hard job. It's an unfair job. And it's an underpaid job.
But it's also a job that affects the lives and well being of others, even to the point of life and death decision making. So, again, in my opinion, we have to make it CLEAR where we draw the line. Not so much to make an ass out of this particular cop, but to hopefully make sure when a similar situation arises the next cop will use better judgement.
Anyways, I'm sorry for jumping on you and Fili. And I'll leave now.
Wow, and here all this time I was thinking she was in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Well, shows how much I know.
Pretty much disregard all the above posts since I'm not very good at details.
Although it doesn't change my opinion of how the cop handled the situation, it does take the urgency away some.
Watching the whole video and hearing the cop talking about his "attitude" and such just reinforces my opinion that it was racially motivated.
But, that too is just my opinion.
And just as I'm typing this, on CNN, the Dallas Police chief is publicly apologizing for the behavior.
Good on him.
Sorry again.
It's ok OFG, and I agree that we need to come to a complete agreement. I really wasn't aiming that post at you
Ok, can you ask you dad, step by step, starting with seeing the car run the red light what he would have done?Quote:
Originally Posted by slowhand422
At what point does he determine that this situation is not a threat?
I'd be willing to bet it is later in the game than most people here seem to think.
I think that would be quite interesting to hear.