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I don't know, how many times does he hear the story when visibly upset people are frantically trying to get into the hospital? And, when another police officer arrived and told him that they were telling the truth and that she was indeed dying, he replied "I'm almost done".Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
GET HIM OUT. My dad was a cop for 27 years and when he heard this story, he was visibly upset and said that cop should be fired. TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
Dude, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and there is no need to force your own opinion on him. Sure maybe you don't agree with him on this issue but you can almost never get EVERYONE to agree on something. Cut him some slack and actually listen to what he is saying. Part of what he is saying is true, even though I don't like what the cop did, and we need to see that Moats COULD HAVE been making the whole thing and the cop had probably heard a bunch of ******** stories before when he was trying to give someone a ticket. It's complete crap that when someone disagrees with the majority that 2 or 3 members just go apeshit and jump all over him for that. Everyone is entitled to their own ****ing opinion and you should respect that.
I probably said that a bit in the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
I was probably a bit defensive as I had just been called 'moronic' because I couldn't divine information from an article I hadn't yet read and a racist because-I don't know why.
I still don't think he was as bad as to warrant a firing.
He first started following the car a ways from the hospital. If you're a cop and you turn on your lights and the car drives that distance without stopping, more times than not it is probably a problem. At this point the cop is probably starting to get a little tense.
They pull into a hospital parking lot, which is odd. It's easy to think that at this point the cop should have assumed there was a problem. As a cop, making that assumption can leave you dead.
When the car pulled into the spot, immediately people started jumping out. As a cop, I don't think you'd want this. YOU want to be in control of the situation. Everyone in the car is much safer than people outside of the car. You can see keep an eye on all of them if they are in the car. Not when some are inside and some are out.
A big deal was made of him pulling his gun. I'm not a cop, I don't know. But if you've been following this car for a while with lights and sirens and when it finally pulls over (in a hospital-yes) and people immediately jump out, I wouldn't think that unholstering your gun is that bad. You don't know if they've also unholstered.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
At this point, he pretty much goes to crap.
When the other cop tells him that the nurse is saying that the guy's mom is inside dying, he should probably forget about the ticket at that point. Until then, it still has the potential to just be a story.
Not all opinions deserve respect, and are even open to negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
I think strawberry ice cream sucks. That's an opinion. I don't care if anyone else shares that opinion or not.
I think you can't use a gun to kill me for any reason you may want.. That's an opinion. I do care if others share that or not. And as a society we have to come to the conclusion that some opinions aren't open for negotiation. And if the odd person speaks up and says "In my opinion we should be able to use guns to kill people for any reason" then I, and we, can "go apeshit and jump down their throat."
This cop was wrong. A lady died. A real, live, breathing, woman died. As a direct result of the cops action??? Maybe not. But he certainly didn't HELP the situation.
We give cops special rights and privileges that we don't give others. With those rights and privileges we expect certain responsibilities. Using good and sound judgement is one of them. If they behave in a way that leads us to question that judgement, then we should question it. And if we, as a group (society) come to the conclusion that he acted badly, then we don't need to respect "others" opinions any more than we have to respect others opinion who might chime in and say the cop could've shot the guy and his mother-in-law too if he wanted too.
No, I'm not listening to someone using the "it's a rough job" "you never know what awaits a cop" stuff, because this is unacceptable behavior from someone in a position that we can't tolerate unacceptable behavior in. If he's mentally or physically unable to make good and sound judgements even in difficult circumstances, then perhaps a police officer is the wrong job for him.
Of course, all of this was just my opinion.
Would she had died if they were in the room? Probably. I am just trying to keep everyone for jumping on Fili just because he thinks that maybe, HEAVEN FORBID, the cop did SOMETHING right
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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
Actually no, the person in question was in the hospital an dying they were going to see her.
From the Sounds of it the cop was being unreasonable. He was pulled over in the Hospital Parking lot, regardless of were the light was ran he went to the hospital.
As a cop he has every right to be suspicious, he pulled his gun when someone went to get out of the car unasked, cops do that. To me the cop was being a jackass, some people are like that but this is the worst part:
I don't think the guys deserves to be fired: suspended maybe demoted, but fired i think goes too far (based on this incident). Does one jackass mean i hate cops, well no more than it make me hate people in general.Quote:
When another officer came with word that Moats’ mother-in-law was indeed dying, Powell’s response was: “All right. I’m almost done.”
I agree, and I apologize if it seemed I was jumping on you. I didn't even mean to be jumping on Fili.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
But I just wanted to point out how for some things we really do need to try and come to a consensus. In my opinion, it would be nice if we could in this case, because the more we muddy the waters with differing opinions on what a cop can and can't do then I guarantee you there will be more and more cops engaging in questionable behavior.
It's a hard job. It's an unfair job. And it's an underpaid job.
But it's also a job that affects the lives and well being of others, even to the point of life and death decision making. So, again, in my opinion, we have to make it CLEAR where we draw the line. Not so much to make an ass out of this particular cop, but to hopefully make sure when a similar situation arises the next cop will use better judgement.
Anyways, I'm sorry for jumping on you and Fili. And I'll leave now.
Wow, and here all this time I was thinking she was in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Well, shows how much I know.
Pretty much disregard all the above posts since I'm not very good at details.
Although it doesn't change my opinion of how the cop handled the situation, it does take the urgency away some.
Watching the whole video and hearing the cop talking about his "attitude" and such just reinforces my opinion that it was racially motivated.
But, that too is just my opinion.
And just as I'm typing this, on CNN, the Dallas Police chief is publicly apologizing for the behavior.
Good on him.
Sorry again.
It's ok OFG, and I agree that we need to come to a complete agreement. I really wasn't aiming that post at you
Ok, can you ask you dad, step by step, starting with seeing the car run the red light what he would have done?Quote:
Originally Posted by slowhand422
At what point does he determine that this situation is not a threat?
I'd be willing to bet it is later in the game than most people here seem to think.
I think that would be quite interesting to hear.
Now now, I just called your post moronic, not you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
I'm canadian, so I guess my perspective is a bit different than you americans on the topic of guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Americans have a wide variety of opinions on guns as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
That seems stereotypical.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
Honestly, I'm with Fili. The cop had no idea what was going on until another officer told him that indeed his mother in law was dying.
To which he responded "Alright I'm almost done". That's where it turns into a poor move by the cop.
But when a car doesn't pull over right away, people jump out the instant the car pulls over (certainly one as large as an NFL player) you don't know what is about to happen. Pulling the gun is probably instinct at that point.
Sure, it looks terrible to us because we know all the circumstances. But hindsight is always 20/20. The cop didn't know if Moats was telling the truth or not. He could have handled it better, yes. Especially after Moats' story was backed up but we can't call for the firing of an officer based off what we know.
And now it turns out that this same cop is also facing a hearing ALREADY for lying in a police report in January. So, yeah, I think this probably finishes him off.