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Catcher- Bengie Molina (until Matt Wieters is called up)
First base- Ryan Howard
Second base- Chone Figgins
Third base- Garrett Atkins
Shortstop- Rafael Furcal
Outfield- Matt Kemp
Outfield- Ichiro Suzuki
Outfield- Xavier Nady/Raul Ibanez
Utility- Edwin Encarnacion
Bench- Matt Wieters (until he's called up)
Starting pitchers- Roy Halladay, Scott Baker, Kevin Slowey, Edinson Volquez, Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley
Relief pitchers- Carlos Marmol, Huston Street, Joakim Soria, Joey Devine
Not a fan of the offense, but love the pitching staff.
Any suggestions?
It's hard to give suggestions without knowing who's available.
A decent team, but lower if the pitching has problems.
Really? I thought I had a good team...
Where can I improve then? What are my weaknesses?
Depending on your league settings, I'd look to trade one of your SPs for a good hitter...or something like that. You are loaded with pitching...your offense is mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5dodgers5
One of the guys in my league just inquired about acquiring a closer, so I'm offering him Huston Street. I have the following hitters to choose from...
Carlos Delgado
Alexei Ramirez
Chris Davis
Chipper Jones
Carl Crawford
Derrek Lee
Obviously he has other hitters but those are the ones I'm interested in. Do you think he'll go for Huston Street for (player) straight up?
If I were him I wouldn't trade anyone for Street since he doesn't seem to have a huge grab on the closer job, but if I had to take my guess you could stand a decent chance in acquiring Lee or Delgado and possibly Chipper.
I'm not a figgins fan, Ramirez gives you pop at 2B with RBI and SB potential. I also like Lee and Jones, but I'd go Ramirez over them, especially since he qualified at so many positions. To me, thats a no brainer, and for Street...robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5dodgers5
Street straight up for either of Ramirez, Jones, or Crawford is a steal.
Crawford could be a huge get...he had an off year last season with injuries, but he could explode this year. Otherwise, I'd probably go with Lee.
Crawford is a no-brainer...if the guy trades you crawford, he has no brain
Well yeah Crawford is the best player to get out of those IMO, but I can't imagine anyone trading him for a possible closer in Colorado and if he does...WOW..just WOW.
with his current team, in fantasy land, Ramirez over Crawford all day long. sorry man, you're not close here.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
The 3 positions is appealing, but Crawford will give you back more value IMO and Ramirez has questions about his plate discipline and rightfully so.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I'm about to offer this (because he declined Huston Street straight up for any hitter)
I get: Alexei Ramirez, Chris Davis
I give: Chone Figgins/Rafael Furcal (one or the other) and Huston Street/Scott Baker (one or the other.
I want Alexei Ramirez for sure, and he wants to trade a 3B because he has three, should I ask for Davis or Chipper?
No, he's right on the money. Let's see what their respective projections are using an average of 4 projections available on FanGraphs (Bill James, CHONE, Marcel, ZiPS):Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Crawford is listed first, Ramirez second. Runs and RBI's only take 4 of the systems into account as Oliver gives no projection for that.
AVG: .293/.289
HR: 11/19
R: 79/65
RBI: 65/74
SB: 36/12
Crawford's production is better, especially considering Crawford would replace Nady/Ibanez and Ramirez would replace Figgins. There's a reason Crawford's ADP is mid-2nd round and Ramirez early 4th.
Chipper. Offer Figgins/Street for Alexei/ChipperQuote:
Originally Posted by 5dodgers5
i don't have figgins, nady/ibanez numbers in front of me and i know you're much more quick to the trigger than i am to obtain them so i'll ask you to explain how. Off the top of my head, Nady/Ibanez are much better fantasy players than Figgins who really is only valuable for SB's. Figs is a big liability in the HR & RBI dept. He's got plenty of SB's already in Ichiro & Furcal and anyone who knows fantasy knows you dont draft SBs or saves as a priority. They can be obtained throughout the year. So with his current roster, as I said earlier, if my memory serves me right on figs stats and nady/ibanez, then ramirez is much more valuable. 2B is a very scarce position this year, and he brings power & RBI's along with some SB's.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Ramirez has plate discipline to the likes of Yuni and he'll probably fall this year and Crawford is the more valuable hitter despite playing the OF. Also, having the best players at scarce positions has already been debunked. You're better off getting the best players and not just the best at weak positions. Take for instance catcher, the best catcher will probably be the 60th best fantasy hitter in most seasons (last year too), so is it worth reaching for a good catcher just so you have the best catcher? No.
Position scarcity absolutely must be accounted for, but I don't think it's enough in this particular case. It seems like a moot point though.
seeing you didn't wanna look it up, i did and WOW i was sooo right!! Sure, if you let me choose one of the two players knowing nothing else, i'll take crawford. However;Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Figgins in 08: .276BA, 1HR, 34SB, 22RBI...(YES 22 F'IN RBIS!!)
Ramirez in 08: .290BA, 21HR, 13SB, 77RBI...(young and now moved up in the linuep, more opportunity!)
Ibanez in 08: .293A, 23H, 1SB, 110RBI
His team has OK SB's already and needs some pop. 22RBIs is an absolute KILLER. It reminds me of Luis Castillo in his day who was also a one tool wonder but at least he got many more SB's than figs 34. Ibanez holds his own, and Nady is OK too...both will have better lineups to be around for a full year as well. Thus why I keep them over Figgins all day long in a no-brainer.
WTF does plate discipline have to do with anything in fantasy? he's never mentioned the categories so i assume its a 5X5 league meaning it means nothing. Position scarcity is HUGE in fantasy. Sure, you don't jump up and take a Catcher over many other top offensive talents but there is a point when you take that catcher over other decent talents merely because of the position he plays. He's got a HORRIFIC 2B right now, and if Nady/Ibanez for some reason bust, he's got a MUCH better opportunity of finding replacement value than he does finding a 2B on the FA market.Quote:
Ramirez has plate discipline to the likes of Yuni and he'll probably fall this year and Crawford is the more valuable hitter despite playing the OF. Also, having the best players at scarce positions has already been debunked. You're better off getting the best players and not just the best at weak positions. Take for instance catcher, the best catcher will probably be the 60th best fantasy hitter in most seasons (last year too), so is it worth reaching for a good catcher just so you have the best catcher? No.
A player with terrible plate discipline is going to be less "stable", and is also going to be easier for pitchers to take advantage of once they accurately identify his weak spots. See Jeff Francoeur.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
and young talented players often improve their plate discipline with maturity and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
we can play the guessing game all day...however, looking at what they all did last year, he's a much more solid bet with all factors considered.
Often? Not really. Sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
We should look at more than just last year.Quote:
we can play the guessing game all day...however, looking at what they all did last year, he's a much more solid bet with all factors considered.
wow, critique my use of the word "often" which in no way is a guarentee while using the word "is" in this sentence as its a foregone conclusion? See the issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
There's nothing wrong there. A player with poor plate discipline is dependent on batting average. Batting average is unstable. Hence, poor plate discipline = unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
LOL, and your concluding that Ramirez IS going to have poor plate discipline and that pitchers are going to be able to adjust to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Whatever...the stats are clear. With all factors reviewed, figgins and his horrific RBI potential has to go. Ramirez replacing Figs gives much much more than Crawford replacing Ibanez.
It should be taken in to account, but not when you're talking about someone of Crawford's ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
We're not concluding he IS going to have poor plate discipline, we're telling you he HAS poor plate discipline. He had an O-Swing% of 42.7% which is ridiculously high. And yes pitchers DID catch on.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I drafted Ramirez in our draft, but when it comes down to it Crawford is the better bet.Quote:
There’s some method to Ramirez’s hacking madness, in that he does frequently put the bat on the ball, but such an approach could lead him prone to seeing an even steadier stream of curves and sliders. Such a trend becomes apparent when you look at Ramirez’s percentage of fastballs seen by month:
April: 51.9%
May: 52.8%
June: 49.7%
July: 47.7%
Aug.: 42.5%
Sept.: 43.9%
Ugh...i already said if it were as simple as ramirez or crawford, then craw is the safer bet...but he's already drafted a team. its about who is going to be replaced...and figgins replaced with ramirez is much more of a team upgrade than ibanez replaced with crawford...especially considering his team is OK in SB's already. To be honest, considering his current roster and assuming its a 5x5 league, i'd probably want ibanez over crawford though its close.Quote:
I drafted Ramirez in our draft, but when it comes down to it Crawford is the better bet.
Ramirez's Stats minus Figgins' Stats: -7 runs, 20 homers, 55 rbis, -21 steals, .014 batting average
(because crawford only had 443 at-bats last year i'm going to extrapolate out to 600)
Crawford's Stats minus Nady's Stats: 17 runs, -15 homers, -20 rbis, 31 steals, -.032 batting average
Crawford's Stats minus Ibanez's Stats: 8 runs, -13 homers, -33 rbis, 31 steals, -.020 batting average
Crawford wins in runs and steals, which we've already discussed to be my strengths. Ramirez wins out by a lot in homers and RBIs, my lacking areas. Ramirez seems to be the better idea, maybe not the safest bet, but fits my team needs.
You're going to take a 30+ year old Xavier Nady who isn't guaranteed a spot in the Yankees starting lineup who had a career year over one of the best outfielders? Even if you don't need Crawford you can trade him away for someone better than Alexei Ramirez.
its my understanding that Nady isn't a starter on his team. Ibanez is the starter and Nady is his backup although maybe he's lookin at Nady as the starter and Ibanez as the backup??Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
and if you're extrapolating Craws stats, you should do the same with Ramirez's who didn't have a full season either if i'm not mistaken. There has been nothing but positive comments coming from camp about him and he's likely to be moved up to the middle of the lineup whereas last year I believe he was at the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5dodgers5
Just out of curiosity who is left in the 2B pool? And also is Daniel Murphy left?
Players with terrible plate discipline like Ramirez rarely ever just magically sprout it over the course of an offseason. It took Jose Reyes three years once he debuted to develop solid plate discipline, and he's the exceptional case. Plate discipline isn't something easily taught.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
You're basing "horrific RBI potential" on one injury-shortened season. From 2004-2007, he ranged from 57-62 RBI.Quote:
Whatever...the stats are clear. With all factors reviewed, figgins and his horrific RBI potential has to go. Ramirez replacing Figs gives much much more than Crawford replacing Ibanez.
So I already averaged out Ramirez's and Crawford's projections. Let's do it for Ibanez and Figgins too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Ibanez first, Figgins second.
AVG: .284/.282
HR: 23/5
R: 82/85
RBI: 99/49
SB: 2/37
And here's Crawford/Ramirez:
AVG: .293/.289
HR: 11/19
R: 79/65
RBI: 65/74
SB: 36/12
So, let's see.
Ibanez + Figgins = .283 AVG, 28 HR, 167 R, 148 RBI, 39 SB
Crawford + Figgins = .287 AVG, 16 HR, 164 R, 114 RBI, 73 SB.
Ramirez + Ibanez = .287 AVG, 42 HR, 147 R, 173 RBI, 14 SB
Holding steady might actually be the best decision. However, if I had a chance to give up Huston Street and a choice between Carl Crawford and Alexei Ramirez, which was the original situation, the only way I wouldn't choose Crawford is if my entire team was full of top-flight speedsters or my outfield was loaded.
Also, I would never want Ibanez over Crawford. Ever.
You're also forgetting that Carl Crawford is the better trade chip of the two if you really decide you don't want Crawford.
Ibanez is starting, Nady is not.
Available in the 2B pool: Placido Polanco, Aki Iwamura, Kelly Johnson, Marco Scutaro, Kaz Matsui.
The other team has stated the Crawford is not available.
And Daniel Murphy is available.
Pick up Kelly Johnson. His projection is .282, 14 HR, 79 R, 65 RBI, 9 SB, which is basically equivalent to Ramirez, with a little less power...but for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5dodgers5