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Will he be retiring his big fat mouth as well?
probably notQuote:
Originally Posted by Joe12Pack
I predict a tell-all book being released eventually.
Doesn't really seem like news, If he gets an offer and he's willing to pitch again I bet he'll come out of retirement as long as that team is headed to the playoffs.
He'll pitch again. 100% guarantee
It was conceivable only a few months ago, that a rotation of Maddux, Clemens, Schilling and Johnson could have been put together (for no more cost than some rotations) by some team that didn't care about using pitchers under 40.
:( I saw this coming
Fixed the misspellings for you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Joe12Pack
http://bugsandcranks.com/38pitches/
From Schill's blog.
Not much there for anyone who wants to try and glean out if he'll come back in July
Enough there to reinforce my previous view that hopes and hopes and hopes he doesn't now get into politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Schilling 2012! Schilling 2012!
Wow, as a Sox fan with liberal views, that actually creates a hesitation...for about 0.002 seconds. GOBAMA!
I always have found Curt and OFG to be simular
I think he deserves to be in the hall....
I sure as Hell hope not. We need MORE guys who will actually say something beyond athlete cliches, not fewer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe12Pack
I agree, but I believe his career is worth allowing inQuote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
As much as I disagree with his political views, Schilling was an outstanding pitcher.
Hall of Fame? He's on the borderline...I think he'll make it.
:confused: I was actually commenting on the fact that I like the fact he speaks his mind. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Anyway, I don't know if he's a HOF guy in my book.
HOFer by me.
Same here, easy HOFer. And I also agree on his mouth(With Arctic). I hate how most athlete's say the same things. However, it is not like they get asked good questions. Instead they get asked retarded "Do you think you can win?" or "Will you make the WS" questions
I used to think he wasn't a HOFer, after looking back at his stats, there is no question thou, he is a HOFer, 1st ballot.
To me his numbers put him in the hall.Quote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4007993
Schilling, one of the sport's hard throwers, finishes his career with 3,116 strikeouts, 14th most in baseball history, a 216-146 record and a 3.46 ERA.
He was even better in the postseason, with an 11-2 record, the best of any pitcher with at least 10 decisions, and 2.23 ERA in 19 career starts.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73.../Schilling.jpg
I'm looking forward to the anti-Schilling arguments beginning with "He never won a Cy Young award!" from the same people that argue for Jack Morris by saying "He placed in the top 10 in Cy Young voting 7 times!"
lol, that 2001-04 table seems rather silly. Wins and Win Pct. are a bit weird and CG is borderline weird.
He'll probably get in eventually because some voters ask themselves "Would I want pitcher/batter X pitching/hitting with the game on the line?" and Curt Schilling has the numbers to back that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
The better thing to show his greatness would be...from 1996-2004, the prime of his career, he had a 141 ERA+ in 2,007 innings, 5th among pitchers with 1,500 or more innings, trailing Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, and Greg Maddux.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Also, among pitchers with 3,000 strikeouts, he has the least amount of walks with 711 and only Pedro Martinez with 752 is particularly close. Greg Maddux, Fergie Jenkins, and John Smoltz are the only other pitchers with more than 3,000 K's and less than 1,000 walks, and Smoltz will likely lose that this year as he's 8 walks away (and Maddux, with 999, would've if he didn't retire).
Yes Houston you know he's a HOFer, I know he's a HOFer but there's one obstacle: the writers and their goofy obsession with win totals. I can see quite a few of them saying: "Well, Jack Morris has 254 wins and we're not putting him in, so why should we put in Curt Schilling with only 216 wins?"Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
KOOONNNGGG! (tip of the cap to OFG) :D
That's the satisfactory sound of any rational, reasonable baseball fan wailin' on the noggin of any writer idiotic enough to spout that drivel with a cast iron frying pan. (Of course I'm not sure said fan still qualifies as rational and reasonable if they're hitting an idiot over the head with a frying pan, but just go with it. ;) ) 3116 Ks, 711 BBs, in 3261.0 IP. Let the numbers speak for themselves: Cooperstown here he comes. Hopefully the fact that he was always good for a quote will help offset the win-driven members of the flock that do the voting. Am I campaigning for him because I like him or his politics? Uh, no, but the Hall of Fame has absolutely nothing to do with that. Put him in.
I think he's a lock to get in. He's got the playoffs and story on his side.
thank you for this....Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
too many hypocrites that claim to want straight talk and then whine when they get it. I think its refreshing and extremely interestesting to find someone who brings you inside the game. Some of his blog pitch by pitch breakdowns were outstanding...and while at times i found myself rolling my eyes saying "here we go again, schills running his mouth", I always went back to him being real and taking the better with the worst.
His communications with SOSH prior to joining the sawx was legendary. And there's always the bloody sock. The most gutsy performances i've ever seen on a mound.
I can't knock the guy. Wish him nothin but the best. He helped bring the most amazing sports moment in my life...the Sawx in 04. Always a pro in my book.
If he does go to the Hall of Fame, which team will be donned on his cap?
It should be the Phillies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
He'll go in as a Red Sox (Sock?) and that's a 1000% lock...of course we don't know when he'll get inducted because he'll be pitching in August.
How can you be 1000% sure when the decision on cap logo since 2001 has been made by the Hall of Fame due to certain players possibly taking compensation from organizations in order to choose their logo? I'm pretty sure Schilling wants to go in as a Sawk, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will and really who cares what logo he's wearing except Schilling, the Phillies, the D-Backs and the Red Sox? Yeah, the fans of those three organizations would love to get their logo on the bronze plaque, but in the end does it really matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
for me: anyone that can get 3000 K's is a hall of famer, to me it's like a guy getting 3000 hits. and then you add 200 wins, with a decently high w-l percentage...I think he is a hall of famer, he was a difference maker. Course how he handles himself is another thing, but I think he is in.
8000% sure. Schilling is the guy who ended perhaps the most famous curse ever. There is no chance, NO CHANCE, that something will happen that will prevent him going into the HOF with a Red Sox logo. Bloody sock. Two rings for them. Ending the curse of the Bambino. All of that will now be swept aside for anything. Whatever has to happen to put a B on his plaque will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
6,000,000% guarantee. I'm not saying I care that much, but there is just no way anything else will happen. No chance. Schilling's story/legend is something that will be remembered forever....they aren't going to ruin that (as far as the HOF is concerned) in favor of the D-Backs or Phillies logo. No way.
1,000,000,000% guarantee. If there was a guy who would bet against me, I'd bet everything on it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Me too. But there is a guy with over 3,700 K's, over 280 wins, and he's been passed over time and time and time again.
It's funny to me seeing the guys on here claiming Schilling is a lock (and I agree) but I'd bet money that it's because they SAW him whereas they DIDN'T SEE the other guy I'm talking about. I did. And he too should be a lock. FIFTH ALL TIME IN STRIKEOUTS ! !
No such thing as a lock.
And if Schilling is a lock, and the other guy (the FIFTH ALL TIME K LEADER) isn't even a member, then they can put a dunce cap on Schilling if they want to, cause the HOF is a joke then anyway.
I think the HOF is a completely silly thing anyways and it's never worth getting worked up about. I really couldn't care less about it, actually. I'd rather there just be a MLB museum or something....
Okay, it's my turn to back away from my earlier words...I had no idea his strikeout to walk ratio was that utterly ridiculous!
The voters will throw wins out the window when it comes to stuff like the bloody sock. Personally, while I think wins are not that valuable, unless you put them in context by considering IP/G, overall performance, and team performance... I think the bloody sock is a joke.
I'm a small hall guy, and haven't engaged in many HOF discussions here lately (it made me realize it's kind of pointless), and I've been fairly anti-Schilling in the past for the HOF, and I still see him on the bubble, but I know for sure he'll be elected, and I think I'm leaning towards him as a HOFer, thought I'm still not sure about him myself.
Pros: Insanely, retardedly good in the postseason. Remarkable peripherals (the K/BB ration, 83 career CG, 20 career SOs, 5 seasons with 150+ ERA+, 7 seasons at 140+).
Cons: Bubble-like career totals (according to my small hall philosophy). Plenty of kinda-good-but-not-stellar seasons. *Lack of Cy Youngs*. Unimpressive number of All Star selections (by HOF standards). Requires argument for top-5 placement among his peers. Inconsistent for much of career.
Granted, his peers were guys like Martinez, Johnson, Maddux... but his era also saw a lot of pitchers that would come out of nowhere to outdo him at their peaks, even when he was at his absolute best. I don't want to think the best argument for a guy for the HOF is that he was pretty darn good, and that his K/BB ratio was astronomical.
Curst Schilling, HOF? It'll happen. Should he be there? I don't know... possibly. But I don't feel that enthusiastic about him.
Blyleven absolutely belongs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
Reason I say Schilling is a lock, though, is because he has things Blyleven doesn't, and those things happen to be the things the writers look for. He has 20-win seasons. He has a great story. Blyleven is a perfect storm of a great player having few of the things writers like through no fault of his own. He's not in because he's got a bunch of things "wrong" with him, if you look at a player through the eyes of the average writer. No 20 win seasons, few All Star Games, poor showing in Cy Young voting, relatively low winning percentage.