It should be the Phillies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
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It should be the Phillies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
He'll go in as a Red Sox (Sock?) and that's a 1000% lock...of course we don't know when he'll get inducted because he'll be pitching in August.
How can you be 1000% sure when the decision on cap logo since 2001 has been made by the Hall of Fame due to certain players possibly taking compensation from organizations in order to choose their logo? I'm pretty sure Schilling wants to go in as a Sawk, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will and really who cares what logo he's wearing except Schilling, the Phillies, the D-Backs and the Red Sox? Yeah, the fans of those three organizations would love to get their logo on the bronze plaque, but in the end does it really matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
for me: anyone that can get 3000 K's is a hall of famer, to me it's like a guy getting 3000 hits. and then you add 200 wins, with a decently high w-l percentage...I think he is a hall of famer, he was a difference maker. Course how he handles himself is another thing, but I think he is in.
8000% sure. Schilling is the guy who ended perhaps the most famous curse ever. There is no chance, NO CHANCE, that something will happen that will prevent him going into the HOF with a Red Sox logo. Bloody sock. Two rings for them. Ending the curse of the Bambino. All of that will now be swept aside for anything. Whatever has to happen to put a B on his plaque will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
6,000,000% guarantee. I'm not saying I care that much, but there is just no way anything else will happen. No chance. Schilling's story/legend is something that will be remembered forever....they aren't going to ruin that (as far as the HOF is concerned) in favor of the D-Backs or Phillies logo. No way.
1,000,000,000% guarantee. If there was a guy who would bet against me, I'd bet everything on it.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Me too. But there is a guy with over 3,700 K's, over 280 wins, and he's been passed over time and time and time again.
It's funny to me seeing the guys on here claiming Schilling is a lock (and I agree) but I'd bet money that it's because they SAW him whereas they DIDN'T SEE the other guy I'm talking about. I did. And he too should be a lock. FIFTH ALL TIME IN STRIKEOUTS ! !
No such thing as a lock.
And if Schilling is a lock, and the other guy (the FIFTH ALL TIME K LEADER) isn't even a member, then they can put a dunce cap on Schilling if they want to, cause the HOF is a joke then anyway.
I think the HOF is a completely silly thing anyways and it's never worth getting worked up about. I really couldn't care less about it, actually. I'd rather there just be a MLB museum or something....
Okay, it's my turn to back away from my earlier words...I had no idea his strikeout to walk ratio was that utterly ridiculous!
The voters will throw wins out the window when it comes to stuff like the bloody sock. Personally, while I think wins are not that valuable, unless you put them in context by considering IP/G, overall performance, and team performance... I think the bloody sock is a joke.
I'm a small hall guy, and haven't engaged in many HOF discussions here lately (it made me realize it's kind of pointless), and I've been fairly anti-Schilling in the past for the HOF, and I still see him on the bubble, but I know for sure he'll be elected, and I think I'm leaning towards him as a HOFer, thought I'm still not sure about him myself.
Pros: Insanely, retardedly good in the postseason. Remarkable peripherals (the K/BB ration, 83 career CG, 20 career SOs, 5 seasons with 150+ ERA+, 7 seasons at 140+).
Cons: Bubble-like career totals (according to my small hall philosophy). Plenty of kinda-good-but-not-stellar seasons. *Lack of Cy Youngs*. Unimpressive number of All Star selections (by HOF standards). Requires argument for top-5 placement among his peers. Inconsistent for much of career.
Granted, his peers were guys like Martinez, Johnson, Maddux... but his era also saw a lot of pitchers that would come out of nowhere to outdo him at their peaks, even when he was at his absolute best. I don't want to think the best argument for a guy for the HOF is that he was pretty darn good, and that his K/BB ratio was astronomical.
Curst Schilling, HOF? It'll happen. Should he be there? I don't know... possibly. But I don't feel that enthusiastic about him.
Blyleven absolutely belongs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
Reason I say Schilling is a lock, though, is because he has things Blyleven doesn't, and those things happen to be the things the writers look for. He has 20-win seasons. He has a great story. Blyleven is a perfect storm of a great player having few of the things writers like through no fault of his own. He's not in because he's got a bunch of things "wrong" with him, if you look at a player through the eyes of the average writer. No 20 win seasons, few All Star Games, poor showing in Cy Young voting, relatively low winning percentage.
And could writers pick a worse target as their "Didn't scare anyone-lowers the standards of the hall"?? As someone else said-FIFTH in Strikeouts???Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
And here's an idea of how screwed up Cy Young voting is:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/aw...73.shtml#ALcya
Wibur Wood got more votes???
He will definately be a Philly. 8 1/2 years there, 3 1/2 in Arizona, and 4 in Boston excluding '08
That doesn't mean anything for what WILL happen. Reggie Jackson is in as a Yankee, despite playing 5 years there to 9 in Oakland.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
When you think of Schilling, you REALLY think of him as a Phillie??? Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
He ended "the Curse." Bloody sock. Two rings for such a cursed franchise. There is no chance, NO CHANCE, they are going to have all that take a back seat to his time with the Phillies where he didn't win squat. I mean, seriously, it's about the stories and what he is known for in his career.
It's "he ended the most famous dry spell in the history of sports" vs. "he pitched pretty well for one of the 30 teams in the league for 8 years".
It's not close.
He did more then "Pretty Well" in Philly. And yes, I obviously would love if he retired as a Red Sox. And he might want to as well. But because of the stupid rules he may not have a choice at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop