Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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03-12-2009, 11:39 AM
Wassit3

Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9326780?MSNHPHMA
03-12-2009, 12:47 PM
Porklet

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

I'll never accuse Papelbon of holding back or being shy.
03-12-2009, 12:53 PM
Alloutwar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Yah, that boy ain't big on tact, exactly. Not one to dance around issues or say 'no comment'
03-12-2009, 12:53 PM
OldFatGuy

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Well, there goes Papelbon's cred in these forums. Poor guy.

Quote:

"It just takes one guy to bring an entire team down, and that's exactly what was happening," Papelbon told the magazine.

Guess he didn't get the memo that team chemistry doesn't mean anything.:p

I'm sure he'll get reminded of it in this thread.:D
03-12-2009, 12:57 PM
Alloutwar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

I'm not sure why this is news. Ramirez was a big problem - fought with Youk in the dugout, pushed sox staff around, requested trades, tried the sitting-out-important-games thing, and pretty much being as much of a pain as any team had to deal with.

I know Boras would like to downplay it, and focus on stats (the good ones, not his defensive ones), but it wasn't like owners had just shown up the the MLB last August. They're all seen this guy in action. Not a great teammate, on another planet - we know.

In other news, Manny has long hair!!
03-12-2009, 01:04 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alloutwar

In other news, Manny has long hair!!

Hippie.
03-12-2009, 01:04 PM
haveacigar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Well, on the other hand, Matt Kemp thinks Manny is awesome, so, that's ok with me.
03-12-2009, 01:57 PM
TheNamelessPoet

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alloutwar

In other news, Manny has long hair!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Hippie.

rofl
03-12-2009, 04:20 PM
oriole^

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Well, there goes Papelbon's cred in these forums. Poor guy.

Guess he didn't get the memo that team chemistry doesn't mean anything.:p

I'm sure he'll get reminded of it in this thread.:D

Shame on you, OFG! This is the Forums, remember, and we're the experts! If we can't measure it, it doesn't exist! :rolleyes:
03-12-2009, 04:27 PM
ragecage

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

must be a slow news day
03-12-2009, 04:41 PM
reflections

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

???
Oh by the way did you know Obama is president?

Speak up when he is on the team, not months later.

Sorry to me it's like.
OK we get. Manny was a horrible teammate...who hit 11 post season home runs for the Sox. He was a lazy guy who only had 2 bad seasons (and by bad, i mean by his standards)
He never had to paint a sock red though (just kidding. come down Red Sox Nation).
He doesn't play there anymore, but they sure seem to love talking about ol Man Ram still.
I've never thought one man could blow up an entire team (unless that man is T.O.).
Just seems that there should be better things to talk about. How about can Pedroia have another great year? Is it time for Ellsbury to breakout? Or any of the young starters going to seriously establish themselves?
Those would be better topics I would love to hear Papelbon talk about.
03-12-2009, 04:50 PM
ragecage

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

I think the questioning by the reporter is what caused the Manny issue to be rehashed if you ask me. You know those reporters, they cant let a story die.
03-12-2009, 05:17 PM
dickay

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

hypocrisy is why this is a story.

I think its absurd that many cry for honesty and insight rather than cliches during player interviews, and then when they get some attack the player and spout the "what happens in the clubhouse, stays in the clubhouse" cliche!! Are you serious?
03-12-2009, 05:46 PM
haveacigar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickay

hypocrisy is why this is a story.

I think its absurd that many cry for honesty and insight rather than cliches during player interviews, and then when they get some attack the player and spout the "what happens in the clubhouse, stays in the clubhouse" cliche!! Are you serious?

Who is attacking Papelbon and saying "what happens in the clubhouse, stays in the clubhouse"? I really don't know what the hell you're talking about by saying "hypocrisy is why this is a story."
03-12-2009, 06:03 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickay

hypocrisy is why this is a story.

I think its absurd that many cry for honesty and insight rather than cliches during player interviews, and then when they get some attack the player and spout the "what happens in the clubhouse, stays in the clubhouse" cliche!! Are you serious?

Your making no sense
03-12-2009, 06:09 PM
etothep

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Well, there goes Papelbon's cred in these forums. Poor guy.

Guess he didn't get the memo that team chemistry doesn't mean anything.:p

I'm sure he'll get reminded of it in this thread.:D

haha, exactly what i was thinking
03-12-2009, 06:14 PM
reflections

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragecage

I think the questioning by the reporter is what caused the Manny issue to be rehashed if you ask me. You know those reporters, they cant let a story die.

True. I had only seen a report on ESPN about it, but having read it and knowing it's Esquire magazine.....still though. If you can't say it to a man's face, don't be a punk and rag about him in a magazine....especially months later.
Let's people in forums do that. lol. :)

Here is a question.
Does this hurt Manny's hall of fame votes?
To me he is a sure Hall Of Famer, but doesn't he barely make it or even take more than one year?
03-12-2009, 06:17 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Manny makes the Hall. By the time he's up for election, his antics will be considered a colorful part of his character, similar to say Rabbit Maranville and Rube Waddell.
03-12-2009, 06:20 PM
reflections

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Manny makes the Hall. By the time he's up for election, his antics will be considered a colorful part of his character, similar to say Rabbit Maranville and Rube Waddell.

Thats what I figured, unless of course the HOF voters are all Boston sportswriters by then.
03-12-2009, 06:20 PM
OldFatGuy

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by reflections

Here is a question.
Does this hurt Manny's hall of fame votes?

He can probably forget about the Boston writers with votes voting for him.:p

And there's always one or two that like to make the baseball Hall of Fame be Life Hall of Fame, and hold anything "character" related against them. So, he may lose a few, is all.

But he's a Hall of Famer. No doubt. First ballot.

Unless he bets on baseball I guess.:eek:
03-12-2009, 06:54 PM
haveacigar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

He has absolutely no steroid connections and he's killing the ball at 37. He could get to 700 HR if he's lucky. Anyone who won't put him in the HOF because he had an ugly exit from Boston needs to get over themselves.
03-12-2009, 06:58 PM
BINGLEBOP

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

I don't think he will, but him staying healthy and wanting to play that long will determine it more than if he's "lucky" or not.
03-12-2009, 07:03 PM
haveacigar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP

I don't think he will, but him staying healthy and wanting to play that long will determine it more than if he's "lucky" or not.

Lucky as in lucky to be playing at a high level when he's 41 years old.
03-12-2009, 07:15 PM
gRYFYN1

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP

I don't think he will, but him staying healthy and wanting to play that long will determine it more than if he's "lucky" or not.

I'm amazed that anyone would think he's not a HoFer. His offesive numbers are off the chart, so far as to mitigate his flakey defending.
03-12-2009, 07:27 PM
OldFatGuy

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by gRYFYN1

I'm amazed that anyone would think he's not a HoFer. His offesive numbers are off the chart, so far as to mitigate his flakey defending.

Just for clarification (and in fact I might be reading your post wrong too), but I think good 'ol Binglebop meant he doesn't think he's going to get to 700 HR's, not that he doesn't think he's getting in the hall.

Might be reading both posts wrong though. Good chance of that.

I've had a couple.

Damn diet, I gotta have a night off every now and then or I go bonkers.

Well, OK, more bonkers than usual.:p
03-12-2009, 07:39 PM
BINGLEBOP

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by gRYFYN1

I'm amazed that anyone would think he's not a HoFer. His offesive numbers are off the chart, so far as to mitigate his flakey defending.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Just for clarification (and in fact I might be reading your post wrong too), but I think good 'ol Binglebop meant he doesn't think he's going to get to 700 HR's, not that he doesn't think he's getting in the hall.

Might be reading both posts wrong though. Good chance of that.

I've had a couple.

Damn diet, I gotta have a night off every now and then or I go bonkers.

Well, OK, more bonkers than usual.:p

OFG is correct. Sorry for the confusion. He's undoubtedly a Hall of Famer in my opinion. I was replying to haveacigar's comment about him getting to 700 homers if he's lucky.
03-12-2009, 07:40 PM
gRYFYN1

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Just for clarification (and in fact I might be reading your post wrong too), but I think good 'ol Binglebop meant he doesn't think he's going to get to 700 HR's, not that he doesn't think he's getting in the hall.

Might be reading both posts wrong though. Good chance of that.

I've had a couple.

Damn diet, I gotta have a night off every now and then or I go bonkers.

Well, OK, more bonkers than usual.:p

Well if thats the case I Don't think he will. he still needs 173, and he was never one to hit 50 HRs and now i doubt he''l top the 35 range. I dont think he'll play at that level till he's 43.
03-12-2009, 07:44 PM
reflections

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by gRYFYN1

Well if thats the case I Don't think he will. he still needs 173, and he was never one to hit 50 HRs and now i doubt he''l top the 35 range. I dont think he'll play at that level till he's 43.

skillwise I don't know if I put anything past Manny, but it's almost as important that his level of interest stay high.
03-12-2009, 08:12 PM
dickay

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by haveacigar

Who is attacking Papelbon and saying "what happens in the clubhouse, stays in the clubhouse"? I really don't know what the hell you're talking about by saying "hypocrisy is why this is a story."

Who? Its been all over espn tv and radio and I read a piece in cnnsi asking if paps was breaking a clubhouse rule. Mike and mike in the morning dedicated over an hour to it. Its not a story, its something already known but the media is trying like heck to make it one. And as I said, the fact the media and others can criticise players for talking with clichés and the criticise paps for not following a cliche is a joke. That's what I was saying.
03-12-2009, 08:15 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickay

Who? Its been all over espn tv and radio and I read a piece in cnnsi asking if paps was breaking a clubhouse rule. Mike and mike in the morning dedicated over an hour to it. Its not a story, its something already known but the media is trying like heck to make it one. And as I said, the fact the media and others can criticise players for talking with clichés and the criticise paps for not following a cliche is a joke. That's what I was saying.

Oh. I don't listen to/watch ESPN
03-12-2009, 08:17 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickay

Who? Its been all over espn tv and radio and I read a piece in cnnsi asking if paps was breaking a clubhouse rule. Mike and mike in the morning dedicated over an hour to it. Its not a story, its something already known but the media is trying like heck to make it one. And as I said, the fact the media and others can criticise players for talking with clichés and the criticise paps for not following a cliche is a joke. That's what I was saying.

When does the mainstream media criticize players for talking in cliches?
03-12-2009, 09:18 PM
Alloutwar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

FYI: the piece was from an interview in December. It's just out now, unfortunately, but it's old news and old comments.

Quote:

"I think that it's the truth and I'm not afraid to speak the truth about anything," Papelbon told The Associated Press. "I mean, everybody knows what happened. There's no secrets here. So I'm not coming up with some new big hidden secret that nobody knows about. This is something everybody's known about, and it is old news. But I know those comments just came out today from a magazine [interview] that I did in the first week of December. But there's no secrets here. The writing is on the wall."

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/ar...=.jsp&c_id=bos
03-12-2009, 09:56 PM
haveacigar

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoustonGM

When does the mainstream media criticize players for talking in cliches?

Yeah, usually the groups are pretty well-defined. Players like to see the "clubhouse sanctity" upheld and guys not trash each other in the press. Fans like to see players talk because it's fun, thus they like when players don't talk in cliches.

The media likes to see players go back and forth too because it gives them more storylines. However, some media members are also former players, in which case, they prefer to see things stay in the clubhouse, despite their having a media job. Columnists and radio hosts like Bill Simmons or Jim Rome are basically just paid fans, so they obviously want to see the players rip each other.

Point being, there's nothing hypocritical about it. If Jim Rome says "I want players to get rid of the cliches and rip on each other," and John Kruk says, "I think that kind of stuff should stay in the clubhouse," who is being hypocritical exactly? You can't just say "the media," because "the media" includes hundreds of people. Why should one media member be accountable for something another media member said?
03-13-2009, 02:29 AM
Arctic Blast

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

When does the mainstream media criticize players for talking in cliches?

I would say the general public is more critical of that than the media...I know I am. I get sick and tired of utterly pointless interviews with athletes acting like trained cliche spouting robots.
03-13-2009, 02:37 AM
ragecage

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

I would say the general public is more critical of that than the media...I know I am. I get sick and tired of utterly pointless interviews with athletes acting like trained cliche spouting robots.

We need more Jim Moras and Dennis Greens in the world.
03-13-2009, 02:38 AM
Arctic Blast

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by ragecage

We need more Jim Moras and Dennis Greens in the world.

Agreed. I would much rather hear more "They are what we THOUGHT they were!" comments than "We just need to give it 110 percent, and make the most of our opportunities."
03-13-2009, 09:02 AM
kenny1234

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

I would say the general public is more critical of that than the media...I know I am. I get sick and tired of utterly pointless interviews with athletes acting like trained cliche spouting robots.

I agree, but I blame the media, not the athletes. Just stop interviewing the guys that have nothing to say - and if you do the interview and the guy doesn't say anything, just cut the interview from your show.
03-13-2009, 11:14 AM
JayC

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by kenny1234

I agree, but I blame the media, not the athletes. Just stop interviewing the guys that have nothing to say - and if you do the interview and the guy doesn't say anything, just cut the interview from your show.

And stop asking stupid questions that the guy has answered a thousand times, and those that can't even be answered by using anything other than a cliche.
03-13-2009, 05:40 PM
Arctic Blast

Re: Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

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Originally Posted by kenny1234

I agree, but I blame the media, not the athletes. Just stop interviewing the guys that have nothing to say - and if you do the interview and the guy doesn't say anything, just cut the interview from your show.

The problem is, oftentimes the teams make the dull interviewees the team captains, and of course the team captain is going to be interviewed.

Both sides are at fault. The media should stop interviewing the dullards of the sports world, but many of those guys have had any and all personality bled from them by years of 'media training'.

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