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Well, how much does Ted Williams have in common with Einstein anyway?Quote:
An intimate new biography of the Los Angeles Dodgers' oddball slugger reveals a closet intellectual who has as much in common with Einstein as Ted Williams.
(Ah, sloppy blogger grammar!)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...manny-ramirez/
They're both dead. I guess he means that Manny's brain dead. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JayC
you hear his interview on ESPN? they asked about his goals this year, he said he didn't have any.
Huh ?Quote:
After he was traded to the Red Sox in 2001
Um as a Sox fan I can tell you that Ramirez stopped running out ground balls while wearing a Sox uni at somepoint in Spring training of 2001.Quote:
His final season with the Sox, in 2008, devolved into melodrama. Eager to leave Boston, Ramirez fought with his teammates and appeared listless in the field, nonchalantly refusing to run out ground balls
lol, true
Why do people question his work ethic?Quote:
Originally Posted by JayC
"I think some of it is racism" (????!)-wtf?
Never, ever quote these 2 as the best Sox OF ever. Ted Williams numbers are lower than they should be because he took 4 years off to fly/train aerial combat during WW2 in the USMC. Then he came back and kept hitting like he never stopped.
Manny, who I wont deny is an incredible player, gave up on his team because he wasnt making over $25 MILLION. He will make the HOF, but will be forgotten quickly in the ******* category.
Dont play the race card cause it doesnt work for Manny.
gave up? , no he didn't give up that's a total myth, he's flaky and high maitence and, after eight years, that wears on a team/fan base.Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper
Having watched the Sox for about 20-25 years, I've never marveled at hitter they way I did at Manny.
While I agree comparing Manny and Williams is kinda nuts, I quoted a few passages earlier that showing the the author is, in fact a *****. (Mor-on is edited out? it not like i called him a douche or jackass or ****ing ass!)
But maybe he's trying to get at the connection is: "nothing"Quote:
who has as much in common with Einstein as Ted Williams.
Oh yeah, I got that. I was just tossing a joking reference to the fact that the way the sentence is worded is imprecise. It actually says Manny has as much in common with Einstein as Ted Williams has in common with Einstein. Which also may be true, but wasn't what the writer meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
If "giving up" results in hitting .347/.473/.587....give me a team of players that give up.
yea but what good is getting on base 47% of the time if you don't "hustle" the 53% you make an out?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Lol, I know right...Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Gotta love the bullcrap the Red Sox organization and the media are (successfully) feeding the fans.
Please stop feeding the strawman. It's documented that he faked a knee injury. He has a documented history of refusing to pinch-hit (and being suspended a game for doing so). It's documented that he threatened to sit out a series. It's documented he started a fight with Youkilis and that he pushed down an old man. He has ADMITTED he forced his way out of Boston.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I really don't understand why any of this is subject to debate and it's utterly ridiculous for posters to accuse fans of 'drinking the kool-aid' for believing any of this. One may as well be saying 'so you're drinking that Newton guy's kool-aid, huh?'
Whether or not he "forced his way out of Boston" isn't the question. He did not "give up" or "quit on the team". On the field, in July, during the month he was supposedly "dogging it", "quitting", etc., he was their most productive hitter.
You don't think it's possible to dog it and produce? You haven't watched enough Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
For the greatest right-handed hitter since Hornsby, it's well within his power to rake some, then take 7 seconds to get to first while the team is getting no-hit. It's well within his power to hit a couple of dingers and then in the field turn a single into a triple by rolling over the ball and laugh about it.
And you don't think faking an injury and threatening to sit out a series is quitting? Are you kidding me? He's getting paid 20 million fukking dollars. He had to be threatened with suspension to get on the field. This is documented. He told Epstein at the last second he would 'be good' if the Sox would just drop his option years
When you have to threatened with suspension to get your butt on the field, you HAVE quit on your team.
And in reference to the old BP Sheehan piece: Yeah he played a lot of games..after being threatened with suspension if he did not. Sheehan doesn't mention that.
Btw, i'm not cursing AT you HGM.
I think that if he's producing, it doesn't matter if he's "dogging it." You don't get bonus points for not "dogging it."Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
Out of curiosity, just to see if we're all on the same page here....if Manny ever says "Yes, I took three straight strikes from Mariano, yes I loafed to first while getting no-hit all in an effort to get traded."Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Does this affect this conversation at all?
I don't know. While, obviously, it's better for a player NOT to do those things, I can overlook it when he's tearing the cover off the ball in the other 99% of his plate appearances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
Manny Ramirez did not hurt the Red Sox in July. I think having a negative impact on the field is a prerequisite for someone "quitting" on their team. Gary Sheffield circa 1991 quit on his team. Manny Ramirez circa July 2008 did not.
I think we all miss/missed the glory days of baseball. A guy pulled a hard liner to left and ran it out. Those days are over and in a way I am forgiving Manny. Todays game is all built on high expectations, money, and over self worth. In the Baseball Classic, 20 y/o players hit it hard and stand and watch to see if it will go over the fence Guys who are in A and AA!!!!
It is the over self confidence that actually beat the DR vs. Netherlands. Good ****ing riddance DR and take your steroids at the door.
Yeah, ****ing DR and their steroids. I'm 100% certain those Netherlands guys aren't taking them. Gosh, we should banish the DR from the Classic or at least put an asterisk next to their names.Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper
Yeh but the Netherlands is playing a bunch of washed up minor leaguers past their primes. What does a 40 year old guy who washed out in AAA 5 years ago have to prove? Gosh golly gee, I guess some pride. What does a 20 y/o kid from the DR who can buy anything OTC have to prove? Everything.
Oh and for being a smartass, yes we should check the whole DR team. They are the biggest offenders if you want to talk steroids, minus Cuba.
lol yeah let's pick who we test and just ignore everyone else since we all know who the biggest offenders are by just looking at them. Then when we find out they all do steroids we can...uhh...have even more conflict and delay moving past this whole steroids thing. Best Plan Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper
When were those days? There have always been players that worked harder than others. Staring down a home run isn't new, players not running out a ground ball isn't new.Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper
Yeah, but just 20 years ago you could be traded for that crap. Economics werent so important. I think in modern ball, Ricky Henderson was the first HOF guy I saw who started to not run out bases when unhappy. He was gone immediately and ended up playing for a bunch of teams after he was 35. So goes Manny.Quote:
When were those days? There have always been players that worked harder than others. Staring down a home run isn't new, players not running out a ground ball isn't new.
As for the whole steroid thing, I never meant it to be a big deal. I was just impressed that Netherlands beat DR. Look at all figures and it is impressive.
I think that's more to do with the fact that he was 35, a part-time player, and repeatedly signing one-year contracts (because he was a 35 year old part-timer). He was only traded once after the age of 35 (in 1997 from SD to ANA).Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper