Mark Prior and Robinson Cano Have a better chance to get into the HOF than Nomar:rolleyes:
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Mark Prior and Robinson Cano Have a better chance to get into the HOF than Nomar:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by DarthJaker
Did you just pick 2 random players or what? :confused:
whoever voted 'yes, no question' needs there posting privileges revoked
im pretty sure it was Nomar himself:D:D
Hmmmm, well according to that favorite team poll a couple weeks back, there are more Red Sox fans here than any other team. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by etothep
It is almost pretty close for him, but he still falls short. When he was on the Sox, he was outstanding. It was him, Jeter and A-rod, all 3 were awesome! Once he left Boston, his career hasn't been the same, as well as his body. Great Player, I hope his brother does something with the Mariners :)
No, absolutely not unless you're putting him in because he was a part of the shortstop revolution that changed the way people look at the position in the '90's (you know the Bruce Sutter inclusion clause). On his own merit though he falls short and please stop dragging Ralph Kiner into the discussion. I'm not sure if Mr. Kiner belongs or not, but he's certainly more worthy than Nomaaah. Yes, they both had short careers but Kiner's was considerably more healthy (averaged 147 GP a year during the 154 game schedule era) than Nomar's (has averaged 105 GP a year during the 162 game schedule era) and more productive (149 to 125 in OPS+ plus Kiner averaged 37 HR a season over his all too brief career).
Should they open up a "DL wing" in Cooperstown I'm sure Nomar, Kevin Mitchell, Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis and Dwight Gooden would be among the first recipients of enshrinement. All of them were phenomenal talents in their day, but they simply couldn't avoid the infirmary and that is why I hope none of them get in. It is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of the Very Good and despite Frankie Frisch and his cronies' attempts to lower it to the Hall of the Very Good and perhaps the Hall of the Somewhat Mediocre, it should remain the place where only the best of the best that MLB has to offer wind up when they hang up their spikes for good. Just my 2 cents. ;)
Nomar has a better argument than any of those guys, except maybe Strawberry, who, like Gooden, has the additional albatross of the drug problem weighting down his candidacy. I don't see why everyone is so down on him. To reiterate, I don't think that he should be elected, but he does have some arguments in his favor, but people are acting like someone had suggested Jeff Treadway or Brian Harper or somesuch for the Hall, and I don't understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Is he down with those guys? No...but it's been a long time since he's put in anything resembling a full, productive season.Quote:
Originally Posted by dps
2006 wasn't that long ago, though I'm not sure I'd exactly call it a full season for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
My point was that they are all cases of - OMG, what might have been had the injury bug (and a few other "demons") not hit so hard. I don't think any of the four I mentioned were ridiculous examples.
Mitchell wound up with a career 142 OPS+, Strawberry was at 139, and Davis was at 125 which is what Nomar is at right now. Gooden after his age 25 season was as close to a mortal lock for Cooperstown as you've ever seen going 119-46 with a 2.82 ERA and almost a strikeout an inning and about 2.5 BB / 9IP. Davis looked like he would be the next 500/500 man when he came up in the mid-'80's. Blazing speed, and awesome raw power at a traditionally defensive position (CF). Strawberry was another 5-tool OF for whom everything came so easily and effortlessly, at least on the baseball field. Off it he was a f***n train wreck. He also looked like a possible 500/500 guy and had 280 HR after his age 29 season. Kevin Mitchell umm, was not a 5-tool OF, but he could absolutely rake. Take a look at some of his seasons between 1986 and 1996: ridiculous. He put up some absolute "Nintendo" numbers in there.
The whole point was that we were robbed of five easy (on talent and early career production) HOFers because of injuries and off-field "issues" and that is a damn shame. But, part of being a HOFer is longevity and none of these guys have it. Certainly none of these 5 is a Jeff Treadway or a Brian Harper and if there was a Hall of the Very Good you could make a case for all of them. Is Nomar at the head of this class? I'd say so. He plays the most demanding position, but it's not as much of a gulf between him and the others as your Treadway/Harper analogy (your glowing examples not mine) would imply. ;)
The only reason I brought up Kiner in the first place was to highlight how little Nomar has played. To me Kiner is the poster child for the very short career HOF - to get in with such a short career you need to have ridiculous numbers. Kiner did, Nomar's are very good - but they aren't good enough given the short career.Quote:
On his own merit though he falls short and please stop dragging Ralph Kiner into the discussion.
Now this question is today's ESPN poll!
North Dakota is split.....only two votes so far though.....Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
what can we say HGM, we are such trend seterrs:pQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM