Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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02-23-2009, 02:25 AM
iceman02

Is kurt Warner a HOF?

In your opinion is kurt warner a HOF? I do think he is.

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The talks have been swirling around since the day the Super Bowl ended: Will Kurt Warner officially retire after this season? And the ever-popular question: Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Famer?

It’s close.

It’s very, very close.

But I am here to tell you that Kurt Warner is NOT a Hall of Famer…not yet.

In the Beginning:

Kurt Warner’s story is one of the most famous in all of professional sports. After a mediocre college career at Northern Iowa, Kurt attended training camp for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. Warner competed for a spot on the Packers’ roster against Brett Favre, Mark Brunell, and Ty Detmer. Warner was released before the season began.

The four quarterbacks in training camp would combine for 862 touchdown passes, 329 wins (including 23 in the postseason), 17 Pro Bowl selections, and 5 MVP awards, while contributing 50 years of service for 14 different teams.

Warner played for the Iowa Barnstormers of the Arena Football League from 1995-1997, earning All-Arena First Team selections in 1996 and 1997.

Warner was signed by the St. Louis Rams in 1998, before playing for NFL Europe’s Amsterdam Admirals in the spring. He backed up future Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green during the 1998 season and was named the starter before the 1999 season, after Green suffered a season-ending knee injury in preseason.

Here is a article that says otherwise
02-23-2009, 02:38 AM
ragecage

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

Footballs HOF seems different to me. If you were a key player on a team that has made the postseason many times, usually you get in (i.e Steve Young, Troy Aikman). If not then they look at the numbers (Dan Fouts, Dan Marino). You dont go to the Super Bowl with 2 different teams and hold the top 3 passing yardage numbers and not make the HOF.
02-23-2009, 03:05 AM
OregonDuck1989

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I think Kurt is a hall of famer and this year with the Cardinals solidified his claim.
02-23-2009, 12:00 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

I would like him to make the HOF, but he did not play enough for most of his career...
02-23-2009, 12:01 PM
ragecage

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

I would like him to make the HOF, but he did not play enough for most of his career...

Well football is a little different than baseball. Put up a great 7 years and usually you get in.
02-23-2009, 12:05 PM
etothep

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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Originally Posted by ragecage

Well football is a little different than baseball. Put up a great 7 years and usually you get in.

exactly, the physical toll on their bodies is exponentially greater in the NFL
02-23-2009, 12:06 PM
OregonDuck1989

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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Originally Posted by ragecage

Well football is a little different than baseball. Put up a great 7 years and usually you get in.

Agreed. Football has so many short careers (Payton, Sanders, Davis, etc.) that usually if you come in and put up a great seven or so years you usually get in. (Hopefully Davis gets in...)

But the fact is, with Warner's amazing story of coming into the NFL his thrilling super bowl championship. The fact that on the biggest stage he plays his best football and his running of the "Greatest Show on Turf" gives me enough. Obviously he shouldn't be considered one of the top 10 QB's of all time but he's good enough for the HoF IMO.
02-23-2009, 12:09 PM
ragecage

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Agreed. Football has so many short careers (Payton, Sanders, Davis, etc.) that usually if you come in and put up a great seven or so years you usually get in. (Hopefully Davis gets in...)

But the fact is, with Warner's amazing story of coming into the NFL his thrilling super bowl championship. The fact that on the biggest stage he plays his best football and his running of the "Greatest Show on Turf" gives me enough. Obviously he shouldn't be considered one of the top 10 QB's of all time but he's good enough for the HoF IMO.

And he is coming back this year and if he can make it to the SB again that would be huge.
02-23-2009, 05:09 PM
Slingshot

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

In my opinion, it's definitely a yes.
02-23-2009, 05:10 PM
Arctic Blast

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

I went with no, simply because there are so many guys in this era who are locks. He's in the mix right now with a guy like McNabb, a couple of good seasons from being a lock.
02-23-2009, 05:20 PM
RickD

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

Yes.
02-23-2009, 05:54 PM
boomboom

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

of course. First Ballot.
02-23-2009, 09:54 PM
Joe12Pack

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

Absolutely. No question.

The quality of seasons, his accolades, his story, it's all HOF-worthy. His comeback, leading the Cardinals to the Super Bowl this past season, totally cemented him in my mind.

And let's not forget 2 things:

1) This guy's career is NOT over, and by the looks of 2008, is it really hard to imagine that he couldn't pad his numbers and possibly even his success/accolades before he's through?

2) We're talking about the PRO FOOTBALL Hall of Fame. According to Wikipedia:

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Warner was named to the AFL's All-Arena first team in both 1996 and 1997 as he led the Barnstormers to Arena Bowl appearances in both seasons. He was also named twelfth on a list of the twenty best Arena Football players of all time.

Warner is a slam dunk for the Hall of Fame. The "Greatest Show on Turf" revolutionized the game in a lot of ways, and was one of the greatest offenses in the history of the game, the guy has had some of the greatest seasons by a QB EVER, and you could even argue he's a top 20 all time QB in terms of quality of play, and not career numbers. And I think even "top 20" is being a bit conservative.
02-23-2009, 10:27 PM
ragecage

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

Great point about the AFL.
02-24-2009, 06:42 AM
Wassit3

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Agreed. Football has so many short careers (Payton, Sanders, Davis, etc.) that usually if you come in and put up a great seven or so years you usually get in. (Hopefully Davis gets in...)

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which Payton? because Walter played 12 years, a long time in the NFL, which Sanders? Barry played 10 years and Dion played 16, none of those are short careers by NFL standards :rolleyes:
02-24-2009, 11:13 AM
OregonDuck1989

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Originally Posted by Wassit3

which Payton? because Walter played 12 years, a long time in the NFL, which Sanders? Barry played 10 years and Dion played 16, none of those are short careers by NFL standards :rolleyes:

10 years by normal Hall of Fame standards would be a relatively "short career" especially considering all that happened during Barry's retirement. Barry retired during what many considered his prime and he could have passed Walter for the rushing record if he had stayed around.

Walter also had a lot swirling during his retirement. 12 years isn't short but it's not exactly long considering some players in the NFL play.

Also on the AFL point...nice job Joe12. Warren Moon's CFL stats were brought into play when he was voted into the Hall so Kurt's AFL stats must be considered as well.
02-24-2009, 11:51 AM
Wassit3

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

10 years by normal Hall of Fame standards would be a relatively "short career" especially considering all that happened during Barry's retirement. Barry retired during what many considered his prime and he could have passed Walter for the rushing record if he had stayed around.

Walter also had a lot swirling during his retirement. 12 years isn't short but it's not exactly long considering some players in the NFL play.

Also on the AFL point...nice job Joe12. Warren Moon's CFL stats were brought into play when he was voted into the Hall so Kurt's AFL stats must be considered as well.

The average career of an NFL player is 3 1/2 seasons according to the NFLPA
where are you getting your information on HOF players careers because many HOF had careers less than 10 years
02-24-2009, 01:55 PM
OregonDuck1989

Re: Is kurt Warner a HOF?

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Originally Posted by Wassit3

The average career of an NFL player is 3 1/2 seasons according to the NFLPA
where are you getting your information on HOF players careers because many HOF had careers less than 10 years

An average NFL career is different then a HOF career...

also, I'm using the Pro Football Hall of Fame website and seeing as how I don't have time to go through every single hall of fame player for career length I'll use running backs as my example. Payton did have a long career so I was wrong on that but...

In the Modern Era of Running Backs only 7 didn't go at least ten seasons (Leroy Kelly, Gale Sayers, Doak Walker, Charley Trippi, Earl Campbel, Paul Hornung and of course Jim Brown) Several went past ten (Larry Csonka, Marcus Allen, Walter Payton, John Henry Johnson, Lenny Moore, Hugh Mcelhenny, Thurman Thomas, O.J. Simpson, Joe Perry, Franco Harris, Tony Dorsett, Ollie Matson, John Riggins, etc.)

Barry would be in the middle I guess but seeing as how most hall of fame running backs went past ten years I stand by my comment that he had a relatively short career. Especially with the circumstances surrounding his reitrement.