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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/0...-make-pro.htmlI want to know if that means 3-4 years or some stupid 7 year deal.Quote:
According to MLB.com's Mark Bowman, the Braves are hoping to lock Jones up "until he has reached a stage in his career when he could be contemplating retirement." That could mean several years. As Chipper said Wednesday,
I will go with a 10 year deal
I think it's a lifetime deal. He will play with Atlanta until he dies.
lol
I gotta say.. if its 4 years which it sure sounds like it will be... then he has a shot at the magic 500 :D5-6 yeras he could POSSIBLY pass Schmidt but he would have to put up in my opinion 203 more 35 HR seasons and I don't think thats foing to happen. Top 3 Offensive 3B all time EASILY and if he could get to 520+ HR tou may ahve to say #1. at least would be in the conversation
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JonesCode:18 Seasons 8352 2234 59 1595 92 1883 .267 .380 .527 147 16 108 201 79 156
2404 1506 408 548 174 1507 4404
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162 Game Avg 563 101 151 27 4 37 107 12 6 102 127 .267 .380 .527 147 297 1 7 14 5 11
Career High 162 584 114 160 34 11 48 121 29 12 128 180 .316 .435 .644 199 342 6 13 25 11 17
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Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
Code:15 Seasons 7337 2277 35 1374 43 1142 .310 .408 .548 145 3 79 137 16 204
2023 1378 449 408 138 1242 4020
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162 Game Avg 588 110 182 36 3 33 110 11 3 99 91 .310 .408 .548 145 322 0 6 11 1 16
Career High 160 601 123 189 42 5 45 111 25 10 126 99 .364 .470 .633 174 359 1 10 23 4 21
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Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
Why is there any question about Jones being a Hall of Famer? He's without-a-doubt one of the top 5 third basemen ever, and has an argument for #3.
name the other 4 in your opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Greetings! Welcome to the Second Weekly Edition of my "Greatest Players in MLB according to their respective positions." Let's dive right into this week's edition - Third Baseman.
10) Jimmy Collins. Played for: Louisville Colonels (1895), Boston Beaneaters (1895-1900), Boston Red Sox (1901-1907), Philadelphia A's (1907-1908).
Numbers: .294 Batting Average, 1998 Hits, 65 Home Runs.
Analysis: Collins was a fantastic player with his glove and he was a terror with the bat. A feared clutch hitter for the Boston ball clubs, he batted .346 in 1897 and the following season, led the National League in home runs with 15. Collins led his club to the World Championship in 1903.
His defensive abilities at the hot corner neutralized the opposition's bunting tactics.
9) Freddy Lindstorm. Played for: New York Giants (1924-1932), Pittsburgh Pirates (1933-1934), Chicago Cubs (1935), Brooklyn Dodgers (1935).
Numbers: .311 Batting Average, 1747 Hits, 103 Home Runs, 779 RBI.
Analysis: Lindstorm became the youngest player to appear in a World Series game while with the Giants. Although he had a powerful arm and good range, hitting was always his game. Lindstrom had seven .300 seasons and twice garnered 231 hits. Lindy’s lifetime batting mark was an impressive .311.
8) George Kell. Played for: Philadelphia A's (1943-1946), Detroit Tigers (1946-1952), Boston Red Sox (1952-1954), Chicago White Sox (1954-1956), Baltimore Orioles (1956-1957).
Numbers: .306 Batting Average, 2054 Hits, 78 Home Runs, 870 RBI.
Analysis: George Kell worked at all facets of the game. He relied on constant practice to become a solid hitter and a sure-handed fielder. Blessed with a strong and accurate throwing arm, Kell led the league in double plays six times, assists four times and in putouts twice.
7) Frank Baker. Played for: Philadelphia A's (1908-1914), New York Yankees (1916-1919, 1921-1922).
Numbers: .307 Batting Average, 1838 Hits, 96 Home Runs.
Analysis: Frank Baker developed a reputation as a slugger when he hit 11 home runs in 1911, plus two more during the World Series for the Philadelphia Athletics. Earning the nickname "Home Run" Baker would lead the American League in homers during four seasons, but with never more than 12 in any one year.
Baker was a .307 lifetime hitter, twice led the American League in RBI and batted .363 in six World Series.
6) Eddie Matthews. Played for: Boston Braves (1952), Milwaukee Braves (1953-1965), Atlanta Braves (1966), Houston Astros (1967), Detroit Tigers (1967-1968).
Numbers: .271 Batting Average, 2315 Hits, 512 Home Runs, 1453 RBI.
Analysis: A feared left-handed slugger, Eddie Mathews became the seventh player in major league history to hit 500 home runs, 512 to be exact. A member of two World Championship teams, Mathews was the first athlete featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
Ty Cobb said it best “I've known three or four perfect swings in my time. This boy's got one of them.”
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...en-part-series
Schmidt, Mathews, Brett, Boggs
Carney Lansford, Tim Wallach, Terry Pendleton, and Jay Bell
no love for Arod?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
A-Rod's still a shortstop right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wassit3
A-Rod olays the next 10 years at 3B... I put him EASILY top 5.
Can't put Mathews ahead of Chipper if he gets to 500 HR (Big if of course)
Boggs... Boy thats a tough one... they are different types of players... But Boggs probably ahead of him... He was a DOMINANT player. Always amazed me he never won an MVP.
Schmidt Of course is way up there but I'm sorry... if Chipper has 500 HR and Schmit have 50 more... I have to go with chippers WAY higher AVG and better OBP... They would basicly be the same player but different averages.
Brett was very good but he was not quite chipper/schmidt/mathews level
Those 3 are Inner circle 3b...
Dount you think Houston... Then A-Rod if he finishes his career at 3B
Jones has higher raw AVG/OBP/SLG numbers than Mike Schmidt, but that's because of the era in which he played. Schmidt's OPS+ is 147 to Jones's 15. Schmidt was also a fantastic defensive third basemen, while Jones wasn't bad but nothing special either. Schmidt is far and away the top third basemen and the only player currently with any significant shot of catching him is A-Rod (although it's still entirely possible that A-Rod finishes his career having amassed more value as a SS than a 3B).
Hmmm... forgot to compare the era. Thats a good point...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
A-Rod may amas more worth at SS but still... He would amas this monster career at 3B too. Not as highly touted as schmidt of course...
which makes schmidt better... damn... another good one :p
I always thought Jones was a fantastic hitter... I never realized he sucked so much!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Heh, that's a 145 ;). :p
Wait... Jones 145+ and Schmidt is 147+... thats a wash in my book
yea... I see how it is :p ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Jones ahs that 1 weird year.. 2004... he average is down lik e50+ points lol... to much swingin for the fences I guess lol
Unless he discovers how to become immortal, that won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
lol 2 OR 3Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
Schmidt has 1,500 or so more plate appearances, and Jones has yet to have a decline phase that would bring down his overall rate (though at the rate he's going, he may not ever have that decline :p). Schmidt had the better peak, as well. Schmidt had 10 seasons at 150+. Jones has had 7, 4 of which have come in the last 4 years in which he's played between 109 and 134 games. Schmidt's 150 OPS+ seasons came in seasons of games: 162, 160, 154, 160, 150, 102 (strike), 148, 154, 151, 160. Schmidt provided much greater in-season value with his bat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
It's the difference in the field, though, that really solidifies it for Schmidt.
Oh, he was on the juice.
lol
You think Chipper is the best Brave ever?
What would be a fair extention for both sides?
3/$45? 4/$60?
wow... it will be more like 4 for 40 i think... he already took a paycut and has said before $ is not a problem. I am thinking Varatek $$$Quote:
Originally Posted by free2131
There's this guy named Hank Aaron that used to play for the Braves.....:p;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bucher34
Yea, as much as I love chipper and he has ALWAYS been my favorite brave... Aaron gets the best brave ever award :p
I'll give him the best ATLANTA Brave award :p but even that is stretching it
There's also his own teammate, Greg Maddux.
Its hard to count maddux because he ent play all his career here... I know Aaron left too but that was different. Only abut 1/2 his career was with Atlanta. Then again he did win 4 (I think 4) consecutive cy youngs as a brave and spend th ebest 10 years of his career thereQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That is why he counts. :p Outside of his Braves career, he only had one amazing season (the year right before he came to Atlanta). 4 seasons as a good starter but not near the top of the league (1988-1991), and then a multitude of roughly league average pitching after he left Atlanta. In Atlanta, he was one of the best pitchers of all-time for 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Yea, that is true
You want him to take a pay cut after giving us one the most team friendly contracts in recent history? After one of his best offensive seasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
If we offered 4/ $40 I would hope Chipper kindly decline and then become a DH. He deserves more than that.
Varitek money? As in $5 mil for a year? :confused:
No like the last contract he signedQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I dont think he would honestly. He didnt REALLY give us a team friendly contract... ho tool a paycut but it also made his team options guarenteed. That was the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by free2131
I dont think he is getting more that 10-12 per year. He no longer plays 150+ games a season. They are not giving $15 a year to a 110-125 aging star. who is going to pay someone that much $$$ Abreu just got $5, Roberts just got 10 for 4 years, Burrel 8 million, Dunn 10 million, Bradley 10 million, Etc... noone is getting that much $$$ anymore. Everyone one of those players is less injury risk and younger than Chipper as well.
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lets hope its not 13 million+
lol that didn't take long
3 yeras 40 million... well I guess thats market value... lets hope he keeps this incredable hitting going another 3 years :D