Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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02-12-2009, 03:10 PM
ragecage

Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

I will go with Rafeal Belliard...
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/...layerID=110841
02-12-2009, 03:15 PM
Joe12Pack

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Andruw Jones.
02-12-2009, 03:19 PM
Joe12Pack

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Jason Schmidt.
02-12-2009, 03:21 PM
ragecage

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Uh those guys are way better than Belliard was, Belliard only hit 2 homers in 16 years!
02-12-2009, 03:42 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Eddie Gaedel.
02-12-2009, 03:58 PM
Joe12Pack

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragecage

Uh those guys are way better than Belliard was, Belliard only hit 2 homers in 16 years!

Andruw Jones: $15 million for .158/.256/.249... yes, that's correct, his measly OBP was higher than his SLG. Over 1 strikeout for every 3 ABs. Yikes.

Jason Schmidt: Has already earned $31 million from the Dodgers for a grand total of 6 starts with a 1-4 record and a 6.31 ERA.

Last season I'd have been glad to trade them both for a 47 year old Rafael Belliard. I'd even have thrown a prospect into the deal.
02-12-2009, 04:05 PM
Slingshot

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe12Pack

Andruw Jones: $15 million for .158/.256/.249... yes, that's correct, his measly OBP was higher than his SLG. Over 1 strikeout for every 3 ABs. Yikes.

Jason Schmidt: Has already earned $31 million from the Dodgers for a grand total of 6 starts with a 1-4 record and a 6.31 ERA.

Last season I'd have been glad to trade them both for a 47 year old Rafael Belliard. I'd even have thrown a prospect into the deal.

Jones did have some good years in Atlanta. You can't discredit him that.
02-12-2009, 04:10 PM
filihok

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Why are you hating on Eddie Gaedel?

If he could walk every time he came to the plate he would be the GREATEST pinch hitter ever

Alfredo Griffin was pretty bad
02-12-2009, 04:11 PM
Joe12Pack

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by Slingshot

Jones did have some good years in Atlanta. You can't discredit him that.

The question wasn't "lamest career."
02-12-2009, 04:14 PM
Slingshot

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by filihok

Why are you hating on Eddie Gaedel?

If he could walk every time he came to the plate he would be the GREATEST pinch hitter ever

Alfredo Griffin was pretty bad

Excuse me, he had a 1.417 OPS in the 1978 season. Almost as good as Bonds' 2004 season.
02-12-2009, 04:16 PM
rockiesfan4ever

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Willy Taveras
02-12-2009, 04:24 PM
bucher34

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Sean Casey, Cliff Floyd, Matt Stairs, Carlos Silva, Adam Eaton, etc. etc.

Why do these guys still have jobs. Ugh.
02-12-2009, 04:56 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by bucher34

Sean Casey, Cliff Floyd, Matt Stairs, Carlos Silva, Adam Eaton, etc. etc.

Why do these guys still have jobs. Ugh.

Sean Casey doesn't.

Stairs and Floyd are league-average bats.

Silva and Eaton? Can't help you there.
02-12-2009, 05:04 PM
TheNamelessPoet

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

lol Mike Hampton the last 3 years :D pavano the last 4 lol
02-12-2009, 05:10 PM
TheNamelessPoet

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Jack Aragon

In 1941 he was listed as the batting practice catcher for the New York Giants, and made his major league debut as a pinch runner on August 13, 1941. It was his only appearance of the season and proved to be the only major league appearance of his career.
02-12-2009, 05:38 PM
etothep

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Bill Bergen?
02-12-2009, 06:09 PM
reflections

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

larry yount
02-12-2009, 06:14 PM
metsguy234

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Oliver Perez :p
02-12-2009, 06:29 PM
KowboyKoop

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucher34

Sean Casey, Cliff Floyd, Matt Stairs, Carlos Silva, Adam Eaton, etc. etc.

Why do these guys still have jobs. Ugh.

Matt Stairs?? Didn't he just hit a gigantic HR for the Phillies in the playoffs? Also, he had an OPS+ of 138 in 2007......dude can still hit.
02-12-2009, 06:30 PM
metsguy234

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

And what's wrong with Cliff Floyd?

And Sean Casey has a job... with MLB Network :p
02-12-2009, 07:18 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Julio Lugo, Mark Redman
02-12-2009, 07:38 PM
etothep

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

obligatory suggestion of john maine
02-12-2009, 07:38 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by etothep

obligatory suggestion of john maine

I second that
02-12-2009, 07:45 PM
DarthJaker

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

I second that

3rd
Adam Kennedy
Ceazer Isturis
Brendon Harris
Chris Duncan
02-12-2009, 07:49 PM
reflections

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Mario Mendoza
No defense in the world is worth a .198 average
02-12-2009, 07:51 PM
5dodgers5

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

John Vukovich
02-12-2009, 08:08 PM
boomboom

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Bobby Ayala!
02-12-2009, 08:12 PM
reflections

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by 5dodgers5

John Vukovich

I love that Vuk had such a long career.
02-12-2009, 08:27 PM
Arctic Blast

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by boomboom

Bobby Ayala!

SECONDED. How many years in a row did the Mariners try to make him their closer? :D
02-12-2009, 08:58 PM
reflections

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

How about Rob Deer. Probably the worst home run hitter of all time.
02-12-2009, 09:09 PM
5dodgers5

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

How do you play 10 years, get 559 at bats, and hit only .161 with 6 homers and 44 RBIs? Especially third baseman?!

Ah John Vukovich. Who remembers that famous game in 1975 where he was pinch hit for in the first inning?
02-12-2009, 09:15 PM
metsguy234

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Tommy Thevenow and Duane Kuiper, if we're talking about HR.
02-12-2009, 09:15 PM
reflections

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by 5dodgers5

How do you play 10 years, get 559 at bats, and hit only .161 with 6 homers and 44 RBIs? Especially third baseman?!

Ah John Vukovich. Who remembers that famous game in 1975 where he was pinch hit for in the first inning?

A first round pick too. Just shows how much the draft matters not in Baseball.
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02-13-2009, 02:04 PM
oriole^

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I'll second Duane Kuiper. He was an average fielder at best and oh, how painful was it to watch that guy at the plate. I felt sorry for the Indians, and couldn't believe he actually stuck with the Giants after that. I looked up his stats and they weren't bad, surprisingly...he was apparently on the downside of his career at that point, and was good for mostly hitting into double plays, which he did with some regularity.

The worst downside I've ever witnessed for a career was Paul Blair. What a great player...and by the end, I was praying he'd hang up his spikes.

Now the worst hitter bar none I ever saw was Mark Belanger, but no way does he make this list. Yeah, I'm biased, because Mark was my hero growing up, but I saw them both play, and I'd stack up Mark Belanger against Ozzie Smith any day of the week (in the field, mind you).

As for pitchers, I did a bit of digging for a name I remembered and found Randy Nosek. He was a prospect for the Tigers. I remember the O's in Detroit when the announcers were doing the warm-up talks about the players - you know the drill, "Well, Smith's playing with a hamstring pull he sustained in Seattle..." and so forth. I think it was Mel Proctor who started off, and went to hand off to the usually very deferential color guy, Brooks Robinson.

Mel: "...and starting tonight for the Tigers, a rookie, just up with the club, Randy Nosek. What do we know about Nosek, Brooks?"

Brooks: (a pause) "I don't know. I was watching him warm up, and I haven't seen a strike yet."

Mel: (taken a bit off-guard) "Well, ah...the reports here mention he's a slider type of pitcher..."

Brooks: (still incredulous) "We're gonna cream this guy."

What followed was some truly discombobulated pitching. What few pitches did get over came in wrapped and ready for air mail. Guys like Craig Worthington were bashing the heck out of him. Good game, though. :)
02-13-2009, 03:02 PM
ragecage

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Noseks Numbers:

1989 0-2 13.50 ERA 5.1 IP 10 BB 4 K
1990 0-1 7.71 ERA 7.0 IP 9 BB 3 K

lol
02-13-2009, 03:11 PM
etothep

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Bergen played in over 900 games (over 11 seasons), had over 3,000 ABs and amassed an incredible .170/.194/.201 line with 2 HRs, no more than 36 RBIs in any season, and a career OPS+ of 21 (he topped 40 in OPS+ just once, at 41)

there is no way he isn't the answer to this question
02-13-2009, 03:24 PM
ragecage

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

John Gochnaur SS deserves some honorable mention here. In 1903 he made lol, 98 Errors in 134 games for a fielding % of .869. He carried a horrible stick as well batting .185 in 438 AB. Whats sad he was along side of Nap Lojoie. Can you imagine how bent Nap was every time he f'd up?
02-13-2009, 03:27 PM
etothep

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by ragecage

John Gochnaur SS deserves some honorable mention here. In 1903 he made lol, 98 Errors in 134 games for a fielding % of .869. He carried a horrible stick as well batting .185 in 438 AB. Whats sad he was along side of Nap Lojoie. Can you imagine how bent Nap was every time he f'd up?

:eek:
I retract my vote for Bergen
02-13-2009, 03:33 PM
reflections

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragecage

John Gochnaur SS deserves some honorable mention here. In 1903 he made lol, 98 Errors in 134 games for a fielding % of .869. He carried a horrible stick as well batting .185 in 438 AB. Whats sad he was along side of Nap Lojoie. Can you imagine how bent Nap was every time he f'd up?

ironically in one dynasty i started with the Brooklyn team. He won a gold glove. :confused:
02-13-2009, 03:40 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Lamest Most Useless Player you can think of.

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Originally Posted by etothep

:eek:
I retract my vote for Bergen

That was only one season. Bergen did it for much longer!

Plus, that seems like an astonishing number to us now but errors were much more common back then. His .869 fielding percentage was in a season where the average was .913, and his only other season wasn't bad at all (well, yes, it was, because his bat sucked, but I mean from a fielding percentage standpoint).

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