I ****ing hate Selig. Idiot, what is done is done, you can not change it. I am not saying what A-Rod and Barry did was right-it was very wrong, but it has happened. You can't change the past.....
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I ****ing hate Selig. Idiot, what is done is done, you can not change it. I am not saying what A-Rod and Barry did was right-it was very wrong, but it has happened. You can't change the past.....
didn't A-Rod speak out against steroids? At least once? Not saying Oswalt did anything, but with the whole era just saying you didn't do anything doesn't mean much to me anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
And about feeling slighted, there still isn't any real proof about what these things are doing for the players, although that is a whole other topic I really don't feel like getting in to since I don't know a ton about it.
This is ridiculous. I was hoping some sort of amnesty thing came out of this and with a list out there, I was hoping some players would voluntarily come out.
Now with the threat of retroactive suspensions and RECORD-CHANGING??
Not in a million years and if that list does come out, expect every player to find some GNC product that might cause a false positive back then and claim that's what set it off....as they hire a dozen lawyers.
I was at work the other day when this all broke. The bar tv was set to ESPN and my first thought was 'the ramifications of this will be staggering'. But I had no idea this was the direction things would turn.
Don't worry. Not knowing a lot about it hasn't stopped others from making judgements.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Jump right in!! The waters cold.
LOL, anybody believing Hank Aaron never took amphetimines when pretty much every other ball player did might as well believe in the tooth fairy too. So, let's see, that rules out Aaron, Mays, Robinson, and Mantle never seemed to see a drug he didn't like......Quote:
Furthermore, as Barry Bonds approaches a March 2 trial date on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs, Selig added he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.
And Ruth? Well, if supporting terrorism today is wrong, how about supporting organized crime in the 20's???? Ruth was it's biggest customer!! Ok, so he's out.
Hmmm, by the time we're done, OK it's official.
The MLB Home Run King is Lou Gehrig! ! !
We all know no one can touch him, not after that speech at Yankee stadium and having a disease named after him (ALS). Congrats Lou ! ! !
Lou! Lou! Lou!
I'm glad so many agree with me on this: making Aaron the home run king again would be the fall of Selig's era as commissinor. This would be the only thing he would be remembered for.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
i understand that...but if they are going to take Bonds numbers away then the Yankees of 2000 who the Mitchell rpt found a number of them were roiding are in the same boat. Same with ARODs MVP the year he juiced in texas....and a host of other records i'm sure we could critique if researched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Yeah, and a couple of them in the 90's too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I mean I don't have any proof, but I remember that third baseman for them back then had that "droid look" about him, bulked and in the face too. Don't know if his name has been publicly linked, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did them. I think his name was Scott Brosius, but I might have the name wrong. All I remember for sure was he was their 3rd baseman.
And wasn't Pettite with them in a couple of their WS wins in the 90's??? And isn't Pettite an "admitted" violator??
It seems like A-Rod and Bonds are basically going to end up taking all the blame and punishment for all the players who did anything. You could probably throw Big-Mac in their to a lesser extent. It will be interesting to see what happens with Clemens come HOF voting time too.
This is taking it a step too far.
What about all the players that aren't home run kings and hall of famers (or future)? What about the normal everyday 280 hitters? they aren't talked abuot but they are just as much to blame as these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
I would like to know who leaked A-Rods name and why haven't any of the other 103 players been leaked. With a list of over 100 hundred names and test results it had to have taken some time to match A-Rods name(since there were no names, they were all coded) with the test results and this was the only name that has come out.
The whole situation is getting really old, lets move on already
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Originally Posted by Reade