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Originally Posted by boomboom
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I like Bill Bavasi :)Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
Actually i think he's quite correct to be miffed over the money. 10 MILLION? Who were the Nats bidding against? I mean I think he's a fine player but it's almost spring training, 10 million is the lowest he could be had for?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
A +2-3 win player for 10 million and 2 years in his prime isn't a bad deal.
Even if they could have gotten a better deal, it should not be looked at as a bad contract.
I stumbled upon this thing last night, as I was too sleepy to put it to the test. I have no idea how accurate it be, but it's kinda fun at least.
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html
Putting in Dunn's stats for 2008, and assuming he played only in Cincy, he gets a .227/.374/.492 line in DC. Compared to a .236/.386/.513 for the Red/DBacks. Homers went from 40 to 38.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...-to-washington
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This is a classic Jim Bowden move - acquire a former top prospect that he’s already acquired previously, especially if he doesn’t really have room for them on his roster. If Bowden was a general contractor, he’d build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof.
Dunn is the ONLY HR threat (taking Johnson's & co injury propensity) that tops 30 HRs in any "decent" projection system --- getting him in his prime at 10 million (see Ibanez deal for what I mean) is a very,very good move EVEN if the Nationals are long shots to compete.
Let's be serious this is the ONLY FA signing Washington made this off season which will affect their record & potential --- whereas their division rivals picked up Lowe or F-Rod....
I dunno...as a pseudo Nats fan in my spare time, as much as I like having Dunn around all this does is mean that IF Da Meat Hook and Nick Johnson are healthy they have nowhere to play.
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/...=.jsp&c_id=was
Definately a Sell-Low on Johnson who's a pretty good hitterQuote:
"I would rather play every day, smell the grass and run around," Johnson said via phone on Wednesday night.
The Nats have some decent outfielders in Lastings, Dukes, Pena, Kearns and Willie Harris. Josh Willingham figures in there as well.
I'm suddenly reminded of Mogul.
IMO I would have been willing to pay 14 Million for him. He is worth it. If Carlos Silva can earn that much, why can't Dunn? Dunn is better then Pat Burrell, Raul Ibanez, and most of the other options. $10 Million is a GREAT deal for the Nats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
LOL, while I agree with you, I think it's funny that you point to Carlos Silva and say "hey if he makes this much...." :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nat...tionalsjournal
If Nick Johnson is healthy, he's got the first base job and Dunn plays left. I sense a trade at some point to clear the logjam of outfielders.
Yeah, they'll probably move a lot of guys to make room for Corey Patterson to play everyday. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Wasn't online last night, so I'm chiming in a bit late, but nonetheless:
Great signing by Washington. I wish the Mets had gotten Dunn to play left field :D
I just discovered that it's a lopsided contract, in that he's going to get a 50% raise from '09 to '10. In other words, instead of it being 10/10, it's 8/12 million.
IMO this makes it a worse deal, as I believe (though could be wrong) that two of their best players are going to be up for arb next year, Zimmerman and Milledge. I know Bowden is privy to what the Nats finances actually are going to be while I'm not, but as fan, it's my right to question it :D, and I just like the deal even less structured this way.
IMO, it's going to make it even harder to deal him if that's the route they go (since 2010's salary is 50% higher than 2009's, and I believe the economy will be worse), or it makes it harder to make any kind of real additions next year if they keep him as his salary becomes $12M and the salaries of their two best players become inflated.
If the guy hits 40 HR's and gets on base at a .400 clip, I'll post here at the end of the season and admit how wrong I am. But I don't think he's going to, and I don't think it was worth the money for two years, two years when this team isn't really going to compete for anything anyway. And I'll leave my comments on the matter at that, since most disagree anyway. Didn't mean to get on folks' nerves. But I bet I'm not the only one that questions their favorite teams' GM's moves. :D
I'm just curious...what makes you think Dunn won't hit 40 home runs or get on base at the clip he's always gotten on base at? 5 consecutive seasons of 40+ home runs (4 of those with 40 on the nose), and 4 of those 5 seasons with an OBP of .386-.388. Why do you think he won't continue doing it?
Even if he doesn't reach 40 home runs, I'd guarantee that the difference is entirely in the park effects and that he's an equally productive player as he's been the last 5 years.
LOL, well, my thinking ain't gonna have no "evidence" to back it up, so I guess it's best left unsaid, although I'll say a couple of things :).
But one part of it is I really believe he's a back injury waiting to happen, and now that he's no longer in his low to mid 20's, if I'm right, it could strike at anytime.
But, there's also performance reasons, of which I'm not gonna go into because it would likely start another debate :D. Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if he played the whole year and his final numbers were something like a .240 avg, 28 HR's, and a .350 OBP, with 150 K's. EDIT: (And I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby Abreu, who signed the same day for half the money, finishes with better offensive numbers).
*shrug* Considering that the last time Abreu was better than Dunn was 2004, and Abreu is 6 years older, I'd be incredibly surprised if Abreu finishes with better numbers in 2009. Dunn would also have to suffer a pretty large drop-off in his walks to drop down to a .350 OBP while maintaining his customary .240 average, and I don't see any reason why that would happen.