Daryl Strawberry is writing a book

about how he and his teammates were drunk, speed-freak smokers.

ShysterBall's take:

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I have no idea if it will be a good book or not, but I know one thing: Strawberry's story of alcoholism and hard drug use derailing the competitiveness of a fabulous team and a number of fabulous young talents will not be judged nearly as harshly as the story of PEDs used in the service of enhancing the competitiveness of more recent players. Booze, coke and speed are colorful, we will be told. Steroids are the tool of evil, godless cheaters.

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I may read it. It sounds like that Ball Four book.

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

I may read it. It sounds like that Ball Four book.

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Oh you edited it damnit...I was going to make a Mike Lowell joke.

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Originally Posted by Pavelb1

Oh you edited it damnit...I was going to make a Mike Lowell joke.

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Lol. Mike Lowell does have a book out, I own an autographed copy. It is a good read, and he jokes a lot about his time in the hospital and such

Its amazing that shyster can't see or refuses to see the difference. :rolleyes:

Suddenly, I don't think the Yankees will be so mad at Torre.

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Originally Posted by gosensgo101

Suddenly, I don't think the Yankees will be so mad at Torre.

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so true

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Originally Posted by gosensgo101

Suddenly, I don't think the Yankees will be so mad at Torre.

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Why? It's about the Mets not the Yankees.

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Originally Posted by dickay

Its amazing that shyster can't see or refuses to see the difference. :rolleyes:

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The difference is that these players were using drugs, destroying their lives, and harming their team. The players that used steroids were, whatever you think of steroid use, doing it in the interest of winning. But, the players that tried to win are demonized and held up as despicable people that tarnished the game, while those that harmed their baseball careers through excessive recreational drug use are held up as colorful characters. You don't see the complete backwardness there?

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

The difference is that these players were using drugs, destroying their lives, and harming their team. The players that used steroids were, whatever you think of steroid use, doing it in the interest of winning. But, the players that tried to win are demonized and held up as despicable people that tarnished the game, while those that harmed their baseball careers through excessive recreational drug use are held up as colorful characters. You don't see the complete backwardness there?

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life is full of IRONY :p

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

The difference is that these players were using drugs, destroying their lives, and harming their team. The players that used steroids were, whatever you think of steroid use, doing it in the interest of winning. But, the players that tried to win are demonized and held up as despicable people that tarnished the game, while those that harmed their baseball careers through excessive recreational drug use are held up as colorful characters. You don't see the complete backwardness there?

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I think people see the charecters how best it suits their argument.

I think there are many who look at Strawberry, Gooden, Howe, LT and other longtime drug abusers as people with demons/addicitions that hurt their career and their teams. I know of nobody who knows them solely as "colorful". Can't one be colorful and have a drug problem?

I think people view ARod & Bonds as jacka$$es because of reasons far unrelated to steroid use. Roid use is cherry, thats all.

And the difference isn't what you claim it to be. Roids are performance enhancing, were hidden to gain an edge on the competition and to many made this whole era of statistics questionable at best.

Anyhow.........this is it for me in this thread. I don't have the patience for another go around.;)

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Originally Posted by dickay

And the difference isn't what you claim it to be. Roids are performance enhancing, were hidden to gain an edge on the competition and to many made this whole era of statistics questionable at best.

Anyhow.........this is it for me in this thread. I don't have the patience for another go around.;)

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Darn, too bad. I was very interested in your take on the motives being "to gain an advantage on the competition." I guess you're suggesting that's a very bad thing (although not sure, I could be reading it wrong). It would be interesting to know if you feel it's only bad in professional sports, or is it bad in all of life, or all competition, etc.

Guess I'll never know now. :(

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Darn, too bad. I was very interested in your take on the motives being "to gain an advantage on the competition." I guess you're suggesting that's a very bad thing (although not sure, I could be reading it wrong). It would be interesting to know if you feel it's only bad in professional sports, or is it bad in all of life, or all competition, etc.

Guess I'll never know now. :(

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doesn't that suck? imagine a missed opportunity to hear your arrogant rants and attempts to manipulate words to put roid use on the same level as say "eating food". I would be so interested to know exactly what would be an "unacceptable" method used in a sporting competition to gain an edge on the competition as your ethics or lack there-of greatly intrigue me.

But......dang, I guess I'll never know now. :rolleyes::eek:

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doesn't that suck? imagine a missed opportunity to hear your arrogant rants and attempts to manipulate words to put roid use on the same level as say "eating food". I would be so interested to know exactly what would be an "unacceptable" method used in a sporting competition to gain an edge on the competition as your ethics or lack there-of greatly intrigue me.

But......dang, I guess I'll never know now. :rolleyes::eek:

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Arrogant, lack of ethics???? I was legitimately curious about you're take on when gaining an edge on the competition was a legitimate endeavor and when it's not, that's all. I didn't make a judgement statement anywhere in that post you quoted, and I challenge you to point out a judgement drawn in that post. It was a question. Do you enter into every conversation as though it's an argument?

Dude, if you would only drop the last two letters of your name it would be such a perfect fit.

And when speaking of lack of ethics, you should probably be very careful yourself, very careful indeed. You jump on others (me included) with holier than thou posts while you've admitted "tricking" the system yourself in certain situations. What, it's ok for you but not others?? Hmm, let's see, what's the word I'm looking for here??????

Strawberry can write?? wow..

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Arrogant, lack of ethics???? I was legitimately curious about you're take on when gaining an edge on the competition was a legitimate endeavor and when it's not, that's all. I didn't make a judgement statement anywhere in that post you quoted, and I challenge you to point out a judgement drawn in that post. It was a question. Do you enter into every conversation as though it's an argument?

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This is precisely why I chose not to get into this discussion. At least when I use arrogance I have no problem admitting it. Of late, in multiple threads you've shot in with numerous arrogant posts similar to the one I quoted previously which you then when called upon play the innocent little boy card. Your motives were quite clear, regardless of how you want to twist and present them now after the fact.

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Dude, if you would only drop the last two letters of your name it would be such a perfect fit.

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I rest my case.

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And when speaking of lack of ethics, you should probably be very careful yourself, very careful indeed. You jump on others (me included) with holier than thou posts while you've admitted "tricking" the system yourself in certain situations. What, it's ok for you but not others?? Hmm, let's see, what's the word I'm looking for here??????

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Have no idea what you're talking about here....but the holier than though theme is one I had you pinned on???

All this aside........i apologize to all (OFG included) for this thread derailing. I'm truly done now ;)

y do people always have to have the last word in these silly arguments?

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Originally Posted by dickay

This is precisely why I chose not to get into this discussion. At least when I use arrogance I have no problem admitting it. Of late, in multiple threads you've shot in with numerous arrogant posts similar to the one I quoted previously which you then when called upon play the innocent little boy card. Your motives were quite clear, regardless of how you want to twist and present them now after the fact.

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Really??? You can read my mind, and determine my motives? Now who is being arrogant. But with that ability, I might suggest using it on others instead, because you're going to be sorely disappointed in reading mine.

As for playing the innocent little boy card, I'll gladly admit when I'm being a smartass and when I'm not. [smartass]If it's too hard to keep up, I'll try to remember to use [smartass] [/smartass] in the future[/smartass].

And in this particular thread I wasn't, or at least thought I wasn't, as I was genuinely curious about what constitutes "crossing the line" in terms of gaining an edge on the competition. I, unlike you, am unable to read minds, and that is why I was asking. However, from now on, I will try and refrain from asking, and instead go ahead and attempt to read your mind and attribute my own version of what your motives are. After all, it could be fun.

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I rest my case.

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Yes, that was a smartass response.

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Originally Posted by dickay

Have no idea what you're talking about here....but the holier than though theme is one I had you pinned on???

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What I'm talking about is you've admitted to doing things some would consider "unethical" or "cheating" to gain an advantage, and so it comes off as holier than thou when you then call others out on being "unethical" or "cheating." And no, this paragraph wasn't being a smartass, though this last sentence might be.

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Originally Posted by dickay

All this aside........i apologize to all (OFG included) for this thread derailing. I'm truly done now ;)

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Fair enough, I'll leave it now too. And I'll apologize for a couple of smartass comments too, but, even if you don't believe me, the quote you picked that started this mess really wasn't one. I was actually curious. And for that, I'm sorry too.

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Fair enough, I'll leave it now too. And I'll apologize for a couple of smartass comments too, but, even if you don't believe me, the quote you picked that started this mess really wasn't one. I was actually curious. And for that, I'm sorry too.

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Admittedly, i'm not a mind reader though I wish I was. Maybe I did misinterpret your message, though in defense it gets difficult sorting through sarcasm. I'll take your word for it although after reading it over I don't think I misread anything, only i guess misinterpreted the meaning. Thats not an insult in anyway...i can be a sarcastic ******* just the same. In fact, when I feel sarcasm flying my way I make it a point to try and outdo it...not a good trait.

Anyhow, i'll apologize if I misunderstood your intentions. Thats about as big of an olive branch as I've got right now.

I heard this new book will have a mirror on the inside of the cover, along with a blade. :p

Although much has been written about the Met's and their crazy ways. I think I might actually read Strawberry's book. He definitely had an amazing talent that was blown on both drugs and pure laziness. He was actually someone who thrived in New York.
Definitely one of those "What could of been careers".

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Originally Posted by Wassit3

Strawberry can write?? wow..

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That's exactly what I was think lol.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

y do people always have to have the last word in these silly arguments?

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Agreed. Seems to happen a lot on these forums.

I'll probably read Strawberry's book. Seems like an interesting read on the inner drug use of baseball.

But it does remind me of the SNL sketch "Bad Stuff 'Bout The Mets by Chico Escuela"

Tom Seaver-He once borrow Chico's soap and no give it back.

I'm surprised he could even write his name much less a book

I quit reading the title at 'writing'

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Originally Posted by Reade

I'm surprised he could even write his name much less a book

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It's not like 95% of these guys write any of it...that's why they're always 'authored' by the athlete and his co-writer (the guy who actually does the writing).