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Some "anonymous" testing that was.
I know....I honestly don't care....and don't think this changes anything about himQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Sh*t hitting fan in 3.....2........1.....
sure it does. It means he is no better than Bonds......Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
A-Rod's obviously been testing negative over the past couple of years, and still smashing the ball, so what exactly did steroids do for him?
*sigh* Who hasn't taken steroids...
I still stand by this: any professional athlete is going to do whatever they can to improve themselves....It is incredibly difficult to maintain and be consistently good at a sport. I think any player who doesn't try and improve themselves is letting themselves and their fans down...that said...this is still against the rules of the game and not leveling out the playing field....I can asure you this issue will never come up with Pujols for example (or at least I hope). I have never been a fan or a-rod, but this doesn't change my perception of him at all.
Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I was right! :D
Oh, and chalk another one up for Jose Canseco
I hope this is not your stance on performance-enhancing drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
And nobody likes my headline :(
I made it my AIM status message :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Sweet! Even if they had no effect, this will make even more people hate him, and put more pressure on him, making him fade out and lock himself up :D
My thoughts: this will have as much effect as Sosa's corked bat....it won't really matter other then an image that fans get when thinking of that player.
Great! Now I can disrespect A-Rod even more!!
Exactly! And that is what makes it so awesome! This made my day, more A-Rod smearing and hating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Ok, so you accept cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
no, that isn't what I said. I said that I believe every player does something in some form to try and take an advantage of the game so they are better then their competition. Steriod use is obviously creating an advantage for you as a player and is cheating....I highly doubt this had anything to do with A-Rod becoming the great player that he is today. 103 other players had the same issue, but we don't know who they are....it isn't only him. There should be reprecussions but I don't think this really matters that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slingshot
So if other players cheated, that suddenly makes it OK for him to cheat too? And if he indeed cheated, of course it has something to do with A-Rod becoming the great player that he is today. How do you value a player of any sport? You look at their history, what they have done in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Let's let A-Rod defend himself...
He already did. He said to go talk to the union.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.
Just saw that in the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I don't think thats an admission of guilt, but it's not a denial. So hmm.
Why wasn't this list used on the Mitchell Report?
I am now officially sick of steroids news, and am finally 100% apathetic.
If I were accused of steroids and I knew I was innocent, that would be the first thing out of my mouth. If he were truly innocent and he just said "go talk to the union," than that is exceedingly dumb. I have to think he did it. There shouldn't be any suspension or anything...it's just another disappointment. When (and IF, a big if...) some of these guys who have potentially abused steroids start dying young or breaking down later in life, don't expect me to feel any sympathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
for p.r. reasons he has to say, talk to the union....he is smart to not say anything to the press. that is the only thing he should say.
and slingshot....i think you are misinterpretting what I was saying....i never said it is ok to cheat, or anything along those lines. I DO, however, see why players do it. It's just like the HGH thing about players in 2000-2001. so what? it wasn't illegal at the time...as a competitive athlete you are going to do whatever you can to stay competitve and that includes making your body more built for playing time and handling the pressure. Steroid use in 03 has nothing to do with how A-Rod played in 08
There is no reason in the world he can't say "I never did steroids" if that is the truth. I'm not saying he's the worst person in the world, but it seems extremely obvious that he did them. It is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
And I don't want to come across as though I am defending him...i really don't like A-Rod, it isn't bc of his contract or this, or that he is a yankee...i just simply don't like him....although I would love to him in my cardinal lineup with albert......that said. He did what he did, and it appears that he took steroids, sucks for his image, although I don't know how much he really cares.
Please refrain from making stupid responses which make all 13 year olds look like idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I guess, thats still an assumption until it's proven though.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I mean Rafael Palmerio "never did steroids. period."....
Crap Canseco was right about almost everyone.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
You suck A-rod
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Well, if they tested him and they came back positive..that seems like proof to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
That there's no way to determine exactly what they do for one's baseball performance, and that a great player is going to be a great player steroids or not and steroids won't turn a player into a great player? Yes, that's my stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slingshot
Willie Mays, Pud Galvin, Mickey Mantle, Gaylord Perry, assortments of other players from the 1960's and 1970's, etc. all cheated, and nobody cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slingshot
Because it was supposed to be anonymous, and the government is still protecting the other names on the list, but A-Rod's leaked. It's ******** in my opinion. An anonymous test in which the names are kept is not an anonymous test.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
I can never figure out the reaction to players associated to steroids. If they admit to it, vaguely or otherwise, they get this reaction. If they don't say anything, they get treated as if they were guilty. If they deny it, they get called liars.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I'm more outraged that this was released to the public than that A-Rod did steroids...partially because I don't get outraged over steroids, and partially because any violation of civil rights outrages me. As poster Colin Wyers said on Baseball Think Factory, "This is a gross violation of several legal and ethical court proceedings that serves no public good, and it's absolutely shameful that this is happening. What if this was your civil rights being violated by some publicity- or money-seeking court employee?"
Leaking from sealed court documents is...um...very illegal. But, of course, there's going to be no investigation into that (nevermind the fact that I think it's reprehensible that players were essentially fooled into thinking that the test results would be...you know..anonymous).
More from Baseball Think Factory:
All I can say to that is...LOL RLY? Who the hell came up with that brilliant idea?Quote:
TJ Quinn, on ESPN, just said that the sample jars had codes on them, and the codes were associated with the players on a sheet that was kept in another state, with the assumption that it'd be very difficult to link the two items together.
That really is what outrages me the most.Quote:
The government seizure of the records is still being fought by the MLBPA on the Federal level. Basically, the Feds used a search warrant seeking samples on the BALCO guys and helped themselves to everybody else's because they were on the same computer. It's the equivalent of getting legal permission to look at a specific file folder and then just taking the whole damn file cabinet. Someone involved in the case told me that no matter how shameful you may think steroid use is, nobody acted with more disregard for the law than the Feds. I believe him.
And personally, I can't wait for the day that the news come out that some universally loved player took steroids. Think a Derek Jeter, Ken Griffey, Ichiro.... What would the reaction to that be? In a logical world, maybe it'd finally smack some people upside the head with "Hey, most players were doing it. It wasn't only the people we already didn't like. It doesn't make them evil people. Everybody involved with baseball was implicit with the steroid era, from the fans to the media that looked the other way to the players to the front office and commissioner's office that also looked the other way. It was a black mark on the history of baseball but it's time to move on." But, alas, the world is not logical.
Some players are using those substances to indeed enhance their performances, hence the name. You're not so naive to think they don't have any effect, do you? And whether the effect of steroids is big or small, they are still cheating, and you look like you're just turning a blind eye to it. In my opinion, players that get caught today should get a minimum ban of one year, with a second offence leading to lifetime ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Depends on which substance you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slingshot
Kind of like how the entire baseball world turned a blind eye to it until Congress got involved, and now those same people are getting up on their high horses and acted like their shining beacons of great morality?Quote:
And whether the effect of steroids is big or small, they are still cheating, and you look like you're just turning a blind eye to it.
I don't know if I'd agree with such harsh penalties, but I agree that players that get caught NOW absolutely do deserve a punishment...as is the case. I don't believe in punishing the players that did it during a time when baseball had no guidelines for punishment.Quote:
In my opinion, players that get caught today should get a minimum ban of one year, with a second offence leading to lifetime ban.
Houston you hit the nail on the head right there, this is a blatant disregard for civil rights.
I also find it despicable that everybody is placing ALL of the blame for the steroid issue on the players, while completely absolving the media, managers, general managers, owners, and Commissioner of all responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
1. Baseball players may not the sharpest tools in the shed, but I hardly think some of them would use drugs that would just give them the Placebo effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
2. I would say the media must take a lot of blame for this. People haven't been given enough information about this, and besides, they couldn't do anything as long as there weren't any punishments for taking drugs.
3. Being a longtime cycling fan, I laugh every time I hear about testing and punishments in American sports. Random, frequent testing and harsh penalties is what must be put into effort. 40-game bans for baseball players and 4-game bans for football players won't scare them away from trying again.
I was mostly referring to HGH with my comment. All the studies done on that particular drug have shown no effect on baseball performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slingshot