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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/0...oving-clo.html
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Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the Mets and Perez have agreed to terms on a three-year, $36MM deal (no fourth-year option). Sherman says the signing "all but assures" Pedro Martinez will not be re-signed. You have to figure Ben Sheets is also out.
This contract will look awful by this time next year. Awful control, not that good of a pitcher. Servicable, but way too much money...but the Mets can afford it.
3y/$36MM just sound way too much.
2 years running of league-average or better pitching. He does have awful control, but he is jsut entering his age-27 season and his upside is still good if he can harness his stuff some more. The Mets needed something, and Perez is the best option on the market save for Sheets who has huge injury concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I think they should still go after Sheets, though. The more pitching, the better.
The contract seems a little much or a little long, but he has been solid the last two years, Yeah his control is suspect but his strike out totals aren't (9.24/9 and just shy of 1 per innng the last two years)
And as HGM said he's only 27, so while not a great signing, for a team that can support a payroll like the Mets, it works.
From Fangraphs Perez had last year a value of 6.5 million so if he stays the same basicazlly the Mets over paid by double his real market value.... I am not saying it is a bad deal but considering this is the same offer (supposedly) they gave to Lowe whose value was 22.0 million using the same system then it make you wonder why they didnt offer the latter a more honest deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Especially when he signed for the same dollar figure with an extra year !
I agree with you on Sheets although the risk factor (IMO) as been over played - he did pitch nearly 200 IPs last year & his status is not as bad as some (eg Pedro)
The problem with Sheets is that he hurt his arm at the end of the year, and judging from the reports I've seen, and his market (or lack thereof), it's pretty alarming.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
On Perez, 6.5 mil was his salary. His "dollar" value using FanGraph's system was 5.8, and 8.8 the year before.
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
FIP of 4.69 last year, xFIP of 5.02. He doesn't suck, but that's too much money for him. I think he'll be league average at best, but I wouldn't be shocked if he just completely blew up. His control appears to be getting worse, I don't see it just getting fixed just like that. It's possible, but I wouldn't count it. Every time I watched him pitch last year his mechanics looked out of control and he just fell behind every single batter. I don't see him getting any better...no reason to think he'll find his control after struggling with it his entire career, with signs of regression instead of progression. It's possible, but unlikely.
If a mid- or small-market team made this signing, it would be a pretty bad one. Since it's a large market team, it's a 'meh' signing for me. Not very good, but won't hurt them.
oh dont worrk the mets can fix him... just like they fixed victor zambrano :D
I hate Perez!!! No!!!! :mad:
you want Glaus? I like Perez!!Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
He can pitch better then Perez, so I'd love to have himQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
And I no longer believe that the Mets will make the playoffs next year.
hey if you want Aaron Miles he pitched 2 1-2-3 inning since 07....oh wait he sign with the enenmy CUBS:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
perez is pretty good get manny and perez can be our ace lol
Right now it looks Manny Will Stay a Dodger in 09. There's FA's i wantQuote:
Originally Posted by ewing6
My Wishlist:
Orlando Hudson
Been Sheets
Chad Cordero
Chuck James
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Because they signed a league average pitcher? :confused:Quote:
And I no longer believe that the Mets will make the playoffs next year.
I definitely believe the Mets will make the playoffs this year. The real problem with last year was their bullpen, and barring some terrible collapse, that is in really good shape. They have a killer lineup IMO:
Wright is fantastic--MVP caliber
Reyes is very good--but doesn't do great under pressure
Beltran--best CF in the business IMO
Delgado still has one or two good years left
Church--question mark
LF--not good
C--not bad
2B--Castillo needs to rebound from a not-so-great year
Rotation is great also
1. Santana
2. Maine
3. Perez
4. Pelfrey
5. Redding
Again, barring a horrible collapse, the Mets will make the playoffs.
Psst, like that will happen... again!Quote:
Again, barring a horrible collapse,
It's not that much of a sure thing. The Mets are very good, but so are the Phillies, and if the Braves wise up and sign a good hitting outfielder, they could be a darkhorse candidate. The Mets are my pick right now, but if they don't make it, it's not going to necessarily be because they had a horrible collapse.Quote:
Originally Posted by eggson27
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Originally Posted by eggson27
I don't know if that's a "great" starting rotation or not. It's above average...but far from dominant. Perez could blow up...Redding is fine at #5, but not a very good starter overall, Maine and Pelfrey will probably be solid. Santana is great. I'd call it a good rotation, but a lot can go wrong. The Mets are far from a lock to make the playoffs.
Congratulations to the 2009 NL East Champion Philadelphia Phillies
Quit overreacting.
Mets lose 122 games. Book it.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Is this the Mets or the Royals? What a stupid signing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Perez is too old and he's left handed. And his batting average last year was only .107 ?!?!?!?! :eek:
bad signing----for that price
Stop it Metsguy. Even before the season you're convinced the Mets aren't going to win the division, even though they are the favorites. Enough of your pessimism. :rolleyes:
He thinks Oliver Perez is detrimental to their success.Quote:
Originally Posted by eggson27
Even though he admitted that John Maine's stats over the past two years have been basically identical to Perez's....but that doesn't matter because Perez is hated and Maine is a "favorite", and obviously, random people's opinions of players are what decides who wins baseball games.
if they would ignore you, and simply sign manny....all would be good again. Its such an easy fix.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Not really. 12 million per year is roughly the going rate for a league-average pitcher these days, and it's arguable that Perez is slightly better than average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I could see this deal, maybe in a normal economic climate (when Carlos Silva was being signed for $10-$12mil per). But for Perez, this offseason? When some legitimate starters and past aces cant even get a deal yet?
I hope he improves and makes this worthwhile for the mets. He's not bad at all. I just wonder, were other teams offering anything like $12mil?
oliver isn't old he's like 26
Geez...3 years at $12 mil per for Perez? I think that's a bit much.