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haha, i'm sorry. But the Cardinals are sort of like the Cubs of the NFL. and then I see your Cubs slogans and I think....this guy likes teams that don't win championships...I'm sorry man....just what I noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewOsborn
1st off... it was to me clearly an incomplete pass... and secondly... after the hurryup offense worked... why not go back to it?
No, it's not contradictory.Quote:
Originally Posted by lebsoccer02
It WAS a great throw. It WAS a great catch. Keep in mind that the QB and WR don't necessarily account for the defense as they're doing what they're doing.
The fact of the matter is, there were THREE defenders in the vicinity, and one of them SHOULD HAVE BEEN (according to the way an NFL defense is supposed to defend in that situation) ON THE RECEIVER'S BACK. As it happens, NOBODY was on his back. Therefore, TERRIBLE defense. It only takes TWO men to cover ONE receiver inside and out... if you have THREE guys, you should have a guy ON the receiver, and two of them in more of a zone position.
Great QB/WR play and terrible DB play... these things are NOT mutually exclusive.
Even if one of the defenders was right on Holmes' back, it would have been an incredible throw and catch.
Watch the play again and you'll see what I mean.
I actually disagree with the "too many calls" thing, but this isn't just directed at you. A lot of other people are saying the same thing. I think Arizona was a little unlucky and undisciplined in the way they ended up with so many penalties, many of them in the precisely wrong situation.Quote:
Way too many calls. They took a lot away from the game.
Again, not directed at you, but I implore anyone to point out to me 2 or 3 or more penalties in which the penalized team didn't deserve what they got... 1 or 2 per game per team are acceptable and normal.
I agree COMPLETELY with this. The way he maintained his poise in the pocket tonight was absolutely amazing. So many times he dodged defenders, ran around, and found an open receiver. Roethlisberger is the true reason the Steelers won this game, and he deserved the MVP.Quote:
This cemented Ben's status as an elite QB. The way he led them down the field, 90 yards in under 2 minutes to win the game. It's what he's done since he came to Pittsburgh. Win, and come up big in clutch situations. He may never have Brady, Manning, Warner, etc.-like numbers, but he's a proven winner, and is as clutch as any QB in NFL history.
justinaweguy: instead of arguing each one. I agree with your first point: they are separate....great pass, great catch, doesn't mean they eluded great defense...the DB's dropped their game here...still a fantastic play you have to give your hat to them.
Second point I disagree with: Granted the calls were probably fair throughout...but I think they were calling things a little too easily...but I agree that the Cardinals had to many players showing they had never been in a Super Bowl before and played as such
and I disagree and big Ben being cememted.
He has shown he can win, but I don't think just because he has two rings, and is decently young it makes him an UNIQUE QB.
Great yes, but I just don't think this cements him....IMO
well waht is your favorite superbowl commerical of all time:
This is mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJevzF8uIgw
All I can say is, "after further review..." the Steelers won. In other words, just like they've been doing all year. No one knows they've won it unless you have someone review it. Just like their phantom "review" touchdown against the Ravens, right?
Let's hear it for the Steelers: the technical champions of the NFL!
(Oh, no, I'm not bitter.)
I agree, either way they earned their 6th championship...We can argue each point countless times, and complain about the officiating (which was too involved IMO) but they won, regardless of what anyone else says or wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriole^
I think their rings should have the image of a referee under a hood. Can we get that encrusted with diamonds? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I was baffled my the Cardinals offense all game long. I was sitting with my buddies wondering why they didn't try to shake something up, maybe go no huddle, in the 2nd quarter. They finally do and roll down the field...and then go away from it again? It was the one time the Steelers defense really looked out of sorts...yeah, let's stop doing that. :rolleyes:
Were there a lot of penalties? Yes. However, aside from that one questionable roughing the passer call, they were ALL 'earned'. Note to Arizona...Mike Gandy is awful. He has ALWAYS been awful. He will ALWAYS be awful. Maybe get a decent left tackle.
Honestly, the one thing about the Cardinals that pissed me off they blew coverages up and down on that final drive. I was very disappointed in the defensive backs on that final drive.
Mike Gandy sucks freaking ass. Someone cut him...please.
Fact is, Cards had plenty of opportunities to win and didn't take advantage of mistakes. NFL champions excel when mistakes are made, and they never did.
How amazing was Larry Fitzgerald though?
He could be one of the best in history...
He always said, "I play for the big games." and he did just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
Larry is a BEAST.
The interesting thing (for me, anyway) to do now is look at the two teams and figure out where they might be next year. After last year's game,. both the Pats and Giants looked like strong possibilities to be pretty good again this year. Now, looking ahead from that year's game, Pittsburgh's in a nice position. No massive free agents, and they'll actually get to use Rashard Mendenhall at running back next year, so they can focus their offseason on beefing up their lines. Arizona on the other hand...their running back situation is a mess, Warner's a free agent, the secondary still needs work and the offensive line needs work. If I'm the Cards, I'm picking up the phone and seeing what Anquan Boldin's worth. Sure he'd be nice to keep...problem is, with the money he's going to demand they probably can't get both a left tackle upgrade AND a running back upgrade.
Even though it was in a losing effort, what Kurt Warner did should put him into Canton. I seldom see anyone shred that D like he did. Its unfortunate his D let him down.
Looks like I missed a pretty good game...
Ya know what? say what ya want but Big Ben, and Holmes are both class act professional athletes. Really handle themselves with class which is always good to see out of a pro athlete that wins it.
On a side note: I take it you have all seen about Phelp's lil indiscretion.
I've simply been waiting for Wassit to make a new thread w/ a link to one of the thousand sites about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKTcNN9-OxE
So did you guys see this commercial, or did it only air here in sweden? ;)
Rest of the commercials looked like they sucked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBl3FOKgs1A
This one made me laugh though...
And, was that last play a fumble? Was it not close enough to review? I had to watch it on a grainy youtube, but it sure didn't look obvious to me
no clue why it wasn't reviewed. I think it's a giant mistake by the officiating crewQuote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Weird, the Career Builder ad went in a different order if i remember correctly during the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by filihok
the Pedigree ad was my favorite
I guess I wouldn't say Ben Roethlisberger is now "cemented as an elite quarterback," but it depends on how you define "elite." By strict standards, only Brady and Peyton could be considered Group A elite. Group B would be rather crowded, and I'm not sure how Ben could be left out of that group.
Winning 2 Super Bowls as a QB certainly says you're doing more things right than you are wrong. Especially with his performance in yesterday's game, and I'll say it again, I think he deserved the MVP. He is a big game QB, and he's a winning QB. This is a guy with a lot of years ahead of him in the NFL, and at his current pace I could definitely see him in the HOF when all is said and done.
Just watched the official super bowl highlights from NFL.com
Good game. Some great catches. Ben Patrick. Santonio Holmes-of course. The catch and run by Fitzgerald was impressive, as was his other TD catch.
What stood out, though, was...Roethlisberger. He just looks like he is 'playing' football. Other guys are out there working their asses off and Ben is just out there running around making things happen. The 3rd down pass to Miller on the 1st TD drive. 3 or 4 times on the final drive.
There can be debate in baseball about 'knowing how to win' but Big Ben makes it pretty obvious in football that he's a guy who knows how to win and sustains (or improves) his level of play in the highest of pressure situations.
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by the way, is anyone surprised that president obama correctly guessed the game's outcome, but matt millen didn't?
I'll second you on that. Roethlisberger got some major props from me for voicing how concerned he and the Steelers were for Willis MacGahee after that horrific helmet-to-helmet tackle at the end of the AFC game. And I'll go on record as saying that Clark shouldn't have been fined for the hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I concur. Also, considering where Holmes has come from it's outstanding how much of a class act he is. He admitted to selling drugs when he was a young boy. Imagine growing up that way and still having the desire and dream to become a pro athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriole^
Ben had a great a game and it would have been hard to argue if had been MVP, Holmes also had an amazing game though, there is talk about how the the 1st pass "went through his hands" but if he had made that catch it would have been one of the best catches in Super Bowl history. Plus one of his great catches, the 20 yarder that was nullified by the saftey-holding, was an amazing play.
Even so, anyone who watched that game can easily tell the MVP of that game was unquestionably Kurt Warner. Against the best Defensive team this year, that knew they couldn't run the ball, Warner carved them up, like no other QB in a superbowl --- Except maybe Warner himself.
On that note, for the second straight year the Superbowl featured an inexplicable 180. Last year, New England (with one of the best offenses ever) were shut down and unable to move the ball. And this year Pitt's top rated D couldn't do anything about the Cards running up and down the field for the last 3 quarters.
That is more or less exactly what I meant. Anyone who doesn't think Kurt Warner deserves the hall of fame should be checked for a pulse.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Really, I don't think it was as much him shredding the D as it was our defense missing tackles, and also Fitzgerald finally getting balls his way in the second half. Once Fitz started catching balls the game started going to hell for Pittsburgh.
I'll tell you something else, Troy Polamalu played probably one of his worst games I have ever seen him play, and I've watched every Steeler game the past 15 years. I don't know what was up with him.
odds that cards win next season's super bowl - 30:1
number of teams w/ the same odds who didnt' make the playoffs this year - 2
number of teams w/ better odds who didn't make the playoffs this year - 5
I agree...Polamalu was AWFUL. He seemed to be trying to turn every tackle in to a massive hit instead pf just concentrating on bringing the guy down, and kept missing plays as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by lebsoccer02
If Arizona had won I would have had a hard time picking between Warner and Fitzgerald for MVP.
Kurt probably deserves HoF induction, but there is such a backlog of deserving players right now he's going to be waiting awhile to get in.
oh i don't think he's a first time hall of famer, but i do believe he gets in. and Fitz would def. have been the MVP had they won.
Upon further review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUVpE69U5Lo
Touchdown