Let me know if I'm forgetting anybody (all-time rankings)

Right field:

1. Gavvy Cravath
2. Bobby Bonds
3. Ken Singleton
4. Mike Tiernan
5. Chuck Klein
6. Kiki Cuyler
7. Dave Parker
8. Jack Clark
9. Rusty Staub
10. Rocky Colavito
11. Harry Hooper
12. Sam Rice
13. Juan Gonzalez
14. Ross Youngs

My inducted right fielders ranking. Cravath and Bonds slot between Willie Keeler and Reggie Smith. Ken Singleton slots between Smith and Sam Thompson.

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Shortstop:

1. Bert Campaneris
2. Dave Concepcion
3. Phil Rizzuto
4. Johnny Pesky
5. Jim Fregosi
6. Dave Bancroft
7. Rabbit Maranville
8. Dick Bartell
9. Vern Stephens
10. Luis Aparicio
11. Donie Bush
12. Joe Tinker
13. Alvin Dark
14. Travis Jackson

Here is my ranking of inducted shortstops. The top 4 unranked guys - Campaneris, Concepcion, Rizzuto, and Pesky, slot in between Joe Sewell and the last place Dobie Moore in the overall rankings.

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I just realized I forgot Barry Larkin! I'll add him in tomorrow. He'll top the unelected group by far, but I'm not yet sure where he'll place overall. In the top 15, probably.

Larkin slots 10th overall, between Joe Cronin and George Wright.

Revised my shortstop rankings, mostly at the top, so below are my new top 15.

1. Honus Wagner
2. John Henry Lloyd
3. Cal Ripken, Jr.
4. Arky Vaughan
5. Luke Appling
6. Robin Yount
7. Barry Larkin
8. George Davis
9. Bill Dahlen
10. Alan Trammell
11. Ozzie Smith
12. Joe Cronin
13. Ernie Banks
14. George Wright
15. Willie Wells

I've roughly ranked the non-inducted pitchers, so here's what I've got for my top 10:

1. Rick Reuschel
2. Luis Tiant
3. David Cone
4. Don Newcombe
5. Tommy Bridges
6. Vic Willis
7. Dick Redding
8. Bucky Walters
9. Addie Joss
10. Dizzy Dean

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

I've roughly ranked the non-inducted pitchers, so here's what I've got for my top 10:

1. Rick Reuschel
2. Luis Tiant
3. David Cone
4. Don Newcombe
5. Tommy Bridges
6. Vic Willis
7. Dick Redding
8. Bucky Walters
9. Addie Joss
10. Dizzy Dean

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I might put Tiant ahead of Reuschell, but it's close.

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Originally Posted by dps

I might put Tiant ahead of Reuschell, but it's close.

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It's ridiculously close. I've flip-flopped them a few times.

I'll post my inducted pitcher rankings as the HoM does their rankings of pitchers, beginning soon (which I will be voting in). The pitchers will be broke up into eras.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

I've roughly ranked the non-inducted pitchers, so here's what I've got for my top 10:

1. Rick Reuschel
2. Luis Tiant
3. David Cone
4. Don Newcombe
5. Tommy Bridges
6. Vic Willis
7. Dick Redding
8. Bucky Walters
9. Addie Joss
10. Dizzy Dean

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I would place Tiant over Reuschel. Peak or career value. Not sure how you rank Reuschel higher.

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I would place Tiant over Reuschel. Peak or career value. Not sure how you rank Reuschel higher.

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3,548.3 innings at a 114 ERA+ for Reuschel, to 3,486.3 innings at the same ERA+ for Tiant. ERA+ though doesn't account for Reuschel playing in front of mediocre or worse defenses for most of his career. 3.82 defense-independent ERA for Reuschel to Tiant's 3.94.

Their WARP3's are basically identical: Reuschel's best 3 years were 29.5, basically equivalent to Tiant's 29.2. Tiant's slightly ahead on best 5 years, 45.8 to 44.3, and 7 years, 59.2 to 58.2. Career, Reuschel has a very slight edge 101.2 to 100.6.

Reuschel threw more innings compared to his contemporaries than Tiant did (3 top 10 finishes for Tiant - 6, 7, 8...6 for Reuschel - 4, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)...Reuschel was the superior fielder.

They're really interchangeable in my opinion. They're going to be next to each other on my HoM ballot.

I've done a ranking of all the position players. Well, not ALL of them. I only did the guys I considered relatively serious candidates. Below are the top 25:

1. Barry Larkin
2. Roberto Alomar
3. Tommy Leach
4. Bert Campaneris
5. Dave Concepcion
6. Phil Rizzuto
7. Gavvy Cravath
8. Bobby Bonds
9. Johnny Pesky
10. Bill Monroe
11. Fred Dunlap
12. Ben Taylor
13. Ron Cey
14. Bob Johnson
15. Fred McGriff
16. Norm Cash
17. Buddy Bell
18. Albert Belle
19. Robin Ventura
20. Toby Harrrah
21. Hugh Duffy
22. Jose Cruz
23. Bob Elliott
24. Bus Clarkson
25. Jim Fregosi

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

3,548.3 innings at a 114 ERA+ for Reuschel, to 3,486.3 innings at the same ERA+ for Tiant. ERA+ though doesn't account for Reuschel playing in front of mediocre or worse defenses for most of his career. 3.82 defense-independent ERA for Reuschel to Tiant's 3.94.

Their WARP3's are basically identical: Reuschel's best 3 years were 29.5, basically equivalent to Tiant's 29.2. Tiant's slightly ahead on best 5 years, 45.8 to 44.3, and 7 years, 59.2 to 58.2. Career, Reuschel has a very slight edge 101.2 to 100.6.

Reuschel threw more innings compared to his contemporaries than Tiant did (3 top 10 finishes for Tiant - 6, 7, 8...6 for Reuschel - 4, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)...Reuschel was the superior fielder.

They're really interchangeable in my opinion. They're going to be next to each other on my HoM ballot.

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Reply pending...as I have no time at the moment...maybe Saturday....

Incidentally, HGM, what sources are you using for info on the Negro leaguers? I've not made much comment about your ranking of them, because frankly I don't know enough to have a firm opinion about where they should rank (or perhaps it's more accurate to say that I don't have the same confidence in the information I have about them as the info I have about players from MLB).

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Incidentally, HGM, what sources are you using for info on the Negro leaguers? I've not made much comment about your ranking of them, because frankly I don't know enough to have a firm opinion about where they should rank (or perhaps it's more accurate to say that I don't have the same confidence in the information I have about them as the info I have about players from MLB).

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The Hall of Merit threads on the players, links are:

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...n/bus_clarkson

Replace "bus_clarkson" with whatever player.

There's differing amounts of info for each player, obviously. It should also go without saying that I'm a lot less "confident" in my ranking of the Negro Leaguers than I am of the MLB players.

My preliminary 15 player ballot for next year's HoM election:

1. Barry Larkin
2. Robeto Alomar
3. Rick Reuschel
4. Luis Tiant
5. Tommy Leach
6. Bert Campaneris
7. Dave Concepcion
8. Phil Rizzuto
9. David Cone
10. Gavvy Cravath
11. Bobby Bonds
12. Don Newcombe
13. Johnny Pesky
14. Tommy Bridges
15. Bill Monroe

I've forgot to rank Edgar Martinez, so he may make the top 15, once I get around to ranking him.