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I always like to look back and say "what if this deal hadn't been made?"
Like if the Cardinals had just given Carlton the raise he wanted, what could Carlton and Gibson have done together? What if Pedro and Randy Johnson had stayed in Montreal? Would the Expos still be in Canada and exist?
So my question for you...what do you think could have been the best combo, had a deal never been made to part ways with someone.
What could the Mariners have been? Griffey, Johnson, A-Rod?
Every baseball simulation game I've ever had has seen me start with the M's in early 90's at some point...the answer to this question is they would have been dominant (at least in the BBM & OOTP worlds they are)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
What other major moves have kept amazing teams from happening? How many great players came and went in Montreal? Dawson, Carter, Galaraga etc.
I can only think of one major bonehead time in the Cardinals history, which was the Carlton deal. Obviously the Babe Ruth trade. But what are some other what ifs?
How bout Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phllips?
Bagwell in Boston baby... :(
What about if Pedro hadn't of been traded (damn you Jody Reed) from the Dodgers. Pedro and Ramon as a 1-2 punchQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
two good one's
from the other perspective, would the braves have had that run of theirs if it wasn't for the smoltz trade?
Yea, definitely the Mariners with A-Rod, Griffey and Johnson but also the mariners if they kept Johnson, Pedro and Vlad.
An even better question is how many fricking homeruns would Ken Griffey have if he didn't get injured multiple times.
And the Maddux trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
Griffey, if he couldv'e been healthy, and I've heard that he had a poor work ethic. and they keep a-rod along with ichiro. You are talking about a team that would consistenly win it all
at least offensively
How about Boston with Hanley Ramirez?
oh ya, i forgot about that one.
How about the immortal Boston Braves turning down Willie Mays. Imagine him and Hank Aaron in the same outfield.
maddux was a signing not a trade... BUT what if the trade for bonds had gone thru and the bravs had bonds and the jones boys together.... now THAT is scary lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I'd love to see Scott Kazmir as the Mets 2nd starter right about now :D
You wouldn't have Johan
When I think of the best teammates, I cant help but think of the lethal duo of Sid Bream and Mark Lemke.
Sox got Beckett and Lowell and a WS win.....nothing wrong with that trade at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Why? Was Victor Zambrano the key secret piece to the Johan deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by 5DiMaggio
I was thinking the same thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
you nver know tho... they might have said ... "we have kazmir as our #1"
What about Ortiz and Tek in Seattle along with A-Rod, Griffey, and Johnson? That team would have won at least one WS. And what if we kept Randy Winn as well. An outfield of Winn, Griffey and Ichiro would been great in the early 2000s.
Well I think he is saying that if they had Kazmir, there wouldn't have been that pressing need for an ace-like starter who was left handed. I mean, without Kazmir, they would have had basically no top starters, so they had to go get a Johan Santana. However, if they had a Scott Kazmir, people can question rather or not the Mets would have traded young players for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Red Sox had the first chance at him I believe (at least that's what I remember reading in Summer of '49). Imagine Willie in center and Teddy Ballgame in left.Quote:
Originally Posted by reflections
What about the brilliant trade of Joe Jackson for Bris Lord. The A's still had a nice dynasty, but who knows how could they really could have been.
True, but Hanley has more future value than lowell and Beckett have.Quote:
Originally Posted by acetoolguy