Roger Bresnahan; 18th on the list, but #1 in safety :D
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Roger Bresnahan; 18th on the list, but #1 in safety :D
1 and a half gold stars if somebody gets this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
I got it right away. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Oh I know you did, I wonder if somebody will get it without the powers of Wiki. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Left field:
- Ted Williams
- Stan Musial
- Rickey Henderson
- Ed Delahanty
- Carl Yastrzemski
- Tim Raines
- Jesse Burkett
- Al Simmons
- Fred Clarke
- Billy Williams
- Monte Irvin
- Willie Stargell
- Sherry Magee
- Charlie Keller
- Jimmy Sheckard
- Goose Goslin
- Zack Wheat
- Joe Kelley
- Minnie Minoso
- Joe Medwick
- Charley Jones
- Ralph Kiner
- Harry Stovey
pretty solid LF list. I wonder who is going to be up in arms about Raines being so high.
Raines is REALLY that good, and it's a real shame that he's being royally snubbed by the BBWAA.
When the HoM did their rankings, Raines placed 5th, behind Teddy Ballgame, Stan the Man, Delahanty, and Yaz (Rickey had yet to be inducted but would've surely placed 3rd). 16 voters placed him either 4th or 5th. A total of 6 voters placed him at 7, 8, or 9...the 9 being the lowest he was placed.
Ive wondered myself about why they overlook him, is it because he is still cast in Rickey Hendersons shadow?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
It's plenty of reasons. Rickey's one of them. Another is that he didn't reach any "important" milestones, like 3,000 hits (nevermind the fact that he reached base more than Tony Gwynn did!). Also, people forget how great he was at his peak. In the 1980's, he was the best leadoff hitter in the NL, and neck and neck with Henderson. Henderson, obviously, sustained that production longer, while Raines settled into a more of a support role, putting the image of the great Raines at his peak in the back of people's minds. A lot of how the "view" of a player is is shaped by the shape of a player's career. Had Raines peaked in his early 30's instead of early 20's, and played as a roleplayer through his 20's, he might be getting more support simply because the greatness is more fresh in peoples' minds. There's also the fact that he peaked in Montreal and thus didn't get as much exposure as he would've had he peaked elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
You know, I find it really funny, that the people that scoff at "statheads" for "waiting for the 3 run homer", and not "appreciating the little things", and not appreciating "hustle", and all that crap...are the same people that think Jim Rice is a Hall of Famer and Tim Raines isn't. That part baffles me.
I would put Raines ahead of Yaz, and maybe Delahanty, and I might even put Henderson ahead of Musial. I'd probably move Williams down a couple spots, and move Wheat and Minoso up 1 or 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I had Raines ahead of Yaz at first, but Yaz's peak was superior, and he had more career value.Quote:
Originally Posted by dps
I can't see that.Quote:
and I might even put Henderson ahead of Musial.
Billy, I'm assuming?Quote:
I'd probably move Williams down a couple spots, and move Wheat and Minoso up 1 or 2.
Yeah, I guess I should have been more specific, but I figured no-one would think that I'd move Ted Williams down a couple of spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Though I'll move him down 1 once Bonds get into the HoM.
Center field:
- Ty Cobb
- Willie Mays
- Tris Speaker
- Mickey Mantle
- Oscar Charleston
- Joe DiMaggio
- Turkey Stearnes
- Cristobal Torriente
- Billy Hamilton
- Jim O'Rourke
- Paul Hines
- Duke Snider
- Larry Doby
- George Gore
- Richie Ashburn
- Pete Hill
- Alejandro Oms
- Max Carey
- Jimmy Wynn
- Earl Averill
- Lip Pike
- Pete Browning
- Andre Dawson
- Willard Brown
- Edd Roush
- Cool Papa Bell
Does this list rank Dawson where he is based on the time that he played centerfield (only through 1983)?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
No. Each of these lists rank players based on their overall contributions. They're just grouped at the position that they accumulated the most value at.Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP