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I can't REALLY say for sure until I rank non-HoM players as well, and then do an overall ranking, but currently, I'm not sold on Bill Terry and Jake Beckley, and only agree on Joe Start if I give him credit for his play in the 1860's.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny1234
Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Hernandez was in Seinfeld, though. :)Quote:
Clark and Hernandez are really, really similar. They could easily go in any order. Comparable peaks and careers.
I think I agree with your ranking - but my cutoff for the HOF would end below Killebrew and above Clark/Hernandez. Both were very good players - but not quite good enough in a small HOF that I'd prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Yeah, the Hall of Merit is (intentionally) the same size as the Hall of Fame, in terms of number of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny1234
I know - it was just interesting to me that the cutoff for a small HOF seems very clearcut at first base (aside from the Negro Leagues where I have no information). There is a huge gap in value from Killebrew to Clark.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Lindstrom did better then Boyer, his career was just shorter.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
LOL this Hall of Merit must be a big April Fool's Joke. Will Clark? Ken Boyer?
Will Clark was a great player, and Ken Boyer had better longevity and was slightly better then Lindstrom. The real HOF is an April Fools jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Boyer had a 116 OPS+ in 8,268 plate appearances, and played very good defense. Lindstrom had a 109 OPS+ in 6104 plate appearances, and the metrics indicate average to solid defense but nothing special. Lindstrom did not do better than Boyer at anything AND had a much shorter career.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Okay, know-it-all, which first basemen besides the ones I listed above Will Clark on my list are better than Will Clark?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Also, these players you're using to call the HoM an "April Fool's Joke" are, by the consensus of the voters, the weaker group of players. Have you ever taken a look at the weaker group in the Hall of Fame? Because, THAT'S a joke.
ezuidgndfioy8 Must you always post the same things I do, in more detail? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Except, you know, batting average and OBP... and 2 less seasons is "much shorter" ? (Lindstrom played 12, Boyer played 14)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
There's also this thing called offensive environment, which is why I posted their respective OPS+'s. Lindstrom played in the late 20's and early 30's, which was a high offensive environment. Boyer played in the 60's, which was the lowest offensive environment since the deadball era.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Lindstrom's .351 OBP was basically league average which was .349. Boyer had a .349 OBP...but the average during his career was .335.
Lindstrom played in 13 different seasons, Boyer in 15. That's #1. #2 is that that's an awfully crazy way to look at who had a longer career, considering Lindstrom had 7 seasons of 130+ games while Boyer had 12.Quote:
and 2 less seasons is "much shorter" ? (Lindstrom played 12, Boyer played 14)
In honor of the truly prestigious (:rolleyes:) Hall of Merit, I propose a Sports Mogul Baseball Hall of OK... Every player who was an OK player during his career can be nominated, but only the most OK of the OK can get elected
Uh, right. Once again, metsguy, I'm telling you for your own good, stop being willfully ignorant.
The Hall of OK is the perfect place for all of the Ken Boyers and the Will Clarks of the world :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM