Metsguy: That is easy.. Not the Marlins, they did not deserve it... Not the Yankees, they bought there way too it.... Must be the Mets, because I like them!Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
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Metsguy: That is easy.. Not the Marlins, they did not deserve it... Not the Yankees, they bought there way too it.... Must be the Mets, because I like them!Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
So... HR are all that matters now? You were criticizing me for using HR at all in my Finley vs. Edmonds argument, and now you're championing them as a statistic?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
No surprise, I've yet to see him say on intelligent thing in any thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Metsguy, there is more to baseball than striking out and batting average. It's absolutely astonishing that you flat-out ignore everything else (except, of course, when it suits your argument).
Actually, against the wife of a minor league umpire.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
No, home runs are not all that matters. They are part of what matters, and Adam Dunn is an excellent home run hitter. He is also excellent at getting on base. The two most important factors of offense are getting on base and hitting for power. Adam Dunn does both excellently. He is a very productive hitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Marlon Anderson and Juan Pierre, on the other hand, have little or no semblance of power, and are not good at getting on base. They are the opposite of "productive hitter."
So, I bet you there are wives of players who don't know anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Heck there are PLAYERS who don't know what is happening (Donovon McNabb)
And, I actually made a thread once where I said I was wrong about that and other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Career OPS+ of 130, certainly would be one of the best hitters on your Mets.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
It is hilarious. He claimed that all players over 35 sucked, and were not good enough to play baseballQuote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
And now you still state some things that you said you were wrong about, and continue saying things that are just as wrong and/or crazy. You haven't changed in the least bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Whatever. Before this forum I had never heard Adam Dunn spoken of positively.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I REALLY want Old Fat guy to log on NOW!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
AND I SAID I WAS WRONG ABOUT THAT...Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
What more do you people need?
That's because you don't look all that deep for baseball information.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You'd also be a lot better off if you were willing to learn, instead of preferring to remain ignorant.
It was hilarious, either way. And as Houston stated, you have gone against what you said in that thread, OVER and OVERQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I'm guessing this is the first forum you posted on then.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
40 home runs EVERY YEAR for 4 years straight and 46 home runs the year before that, among the league leaders every year. Of course he deserves to be working in baseball, more than most people in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Including Delgado and MaineQuote:
Originally Posted by eggson27
I seriously don't know why you bother with metsguy anymore, it really isn't worth it....
A little OT for what we're talking about, but I wish OBP included errors. Whether you beat out a muffed grounder or you are The Shadow and have The Power To Cloud Men's Minds...you're still getting on base.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
He's not the first, but if you have a DH opening, he's definitly worth a long hard look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...2&sportCat=mlb
Isn't it cool when articles get updated ? :D
The new list:
1. Greg Maddux
2. Alex Rodriguez
3. Randy Johnson
4. Ken Griffey Jr.
5. Derek Jeter
6. Tom Glavine
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Pedro Martinez
9. Mariano Rivera
10. Albert Pujols
11. Ivan Rodriguez
12. Vlad Guerrero
13. Ichiro
14. Trevor Hoffman
15. Frank Thomas
16. John Smoltz
17. Chipper Jones
18. Jeff Kent
19. Omar Vizquel
20. Mike Mussina
21. Jim Thome
22. Carlos Delgado
23. Johan Santana
24. Curt Schilling
25. Gary Sheffield
26. Miguel Cabrera
27. Mark Teixeira
28. Francisco Rodriguez
29. David Wright
30. Joe Mauer
31. Hanley Ramirez
32. Todd Helton
33. Evan Longoria
34. Carlos Beltran
35. Roy Halladay
36. Grady Sizemore
37. Lance Berkman
38. CC Sabathia
39. Brandon Webb
40. Justin Upton
One question... where's Jose Reyes?
And the fan balloting for who out of that list deserves it:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/...767&incoming=1
94.9% Greg Maddux
89.3% Ken Griffey Jr.
88.1% Alex Rodriguez
87.4% Randy Johnson
83.1% Mariano Rivera
81.2% Albert Pujols
78.5% Tom Glavine
77.7% Derek Jeter
74.5% Manny Ramirez
70.4% John Smoltz
68.2% Pedro Martinez
64.6% Ichiro Suzuki
61.1% Ivan Rodriguez
52.2% Frank Thomas
50.5% Trevor Hoffman
50.2% Chipper Jones
45.1% Curt Schilling
42.5% Johan Santana
41.0% Vladimir Guerrero
39.8% Mike Mussina
31.4% Omar Vizquel
31.4% Jim Thome
23.0% Jeff Kent
16.6% Gary Sheffield
10.8% Carlos Delgado
Mark Prior, Andruw Jones, and Hank Blalock dropping from his list in just 3 years shows how little value there is in predicting HoF cases that early in a player's career.
And, I'm assuming that the list is in some sort of order of likelihood? How is Evan Longoria above Beltran, Halladay, Sizmeore, Berkman, Sabathia, and Webb? And yes, Jose Reyes deserves to be on that list if you're going to predict players out this far. And Roy Oswalt should not have dropped off
Of those guys, I'd vote:
Greg Maddux, Alex Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey, Derek Jeter, Tom Glavine, Manny Ramirez, Pedro Martinez, Mariano Rivera, Albert Pujols (even though he needs a couple more seasons to even be eligible), Ivan Rodriguez, Frank Thomas, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Jeff Kent, Mike Mussina, Jim Thome, Curt Schilling, Gary Sheffield
Ichiro, Vladimir Guerrero, Johan Santana, and Carlos Delgado I can't say yes or no yet. My guess is that I'm going to say yes for Ichiro, Vlad, and Johan. With Delgado, it really depends on how much more he has in him. If he retired today, I'd lean towards no.
There's only two players I wouldn't vote for on that list - Trevor Hoffman and Omar Vizquel.
If every one of those players in that poll hung up their cleats and quit today, I'd vote for:
Maddux, Griffey, Rodriguez, Johnson, Pujols, Rivera, Glavine, Ramirez, Smoltz, Martinez, Thomas, Hoffman, Jones, Mussina, Thome, Kent, Sheffield, Delgado
Not Ivan Rodriguez?
Not Jeter? Look, I think Jeter is the most overrated player in the game today, but Delgado, Hoffman, Mussina, Vizquel, and Glavine over him? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
One thing to note about metsguy is that he has an extreme hatred of Yankees, except for Mike Mussina.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
Omar Vizquel over Derek Jeter though is indefensible.
He gets on my maybe list.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Jeter is what I call a "buffet player". He has a little bit of everything, but isn't particularly notable at any facet of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Maybe for what? :confused: His career is basically over. He's far past his peak. What else is there to assess?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You know, I always knew that the players that were good at everything but not great at anything were underrated while the players that were great at one or two things and average or worse at the rest were overrated....but I've never actually seen a person actually say that being good at everything but not notable at any one thing is bad.....until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
It's not bad, it's just not as good at having one distinct area of talent and being above average at everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
But it is better than having one distinct area of talent and sucking at everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
But Derek Jeter isn't very good at, well, anything. I can't vote for a player like that when there are so many better options around.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Which is......REALLY 'EFFIN GOOD!Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
And you've also previously claimed that you'd vote for a nearly identical player , Alan Trammell.
Like Omar Vizquel, right? You know, the guy that was good at one thing and sucked at everything else?Quote:
I can't vote for a player like that when there are so many better options around.
You're severely undervaluing the value in being very good everywhere and not having a weakness. It's why Carlos Beltran is such a great player, and also why he is so underrated, because, like you, people underrate players that aren't amazing anywhere, but have no weaknesses. As I said, I just thought that was a matter of circumstance and never saw anybody actually spell it out like you have.
Also, metsguy, one other question. How in the world do you vote for Omar Vizquel, but not think Ozzie Smith belongs?
Typo.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
And Trammell was a great fielder, and above average everywhere else. Jeter, again, is not good at anything really.